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#1 · (Edited)
My cat might be kinda old, But I would bet he can kick most other cats ass.


Update: September 2014
The cat that started this thread is not longer with us.
R.I.P. "The Michael"
 
#67,107 ·
As far as I can tell, there is a huge disconnect in the job marketplace.

Employers are looking for...
2027 skillsets
Someone with Boomer work ethic and loyalty
Expect you to be in the office as a benefit to you and a privilege to be a "part of the culture", but smaller than ever cubicles and zero perks
Pay 2019 wages
WWI vintage fringe benefits
People that don't have a social media presence that conflicts with "company values".


Employees are looking for...
Skillset application relative to compensation
Work ethic relative to compensation
Working time relative to compensation
Any new work to be compensated for
Expect to be lured into the office to participate in the "culture"
Pay 2025 wages
Norwegian fringe benefits
Non-draconian policies, especially those that impede personal life


Millennials and after, up to and including the NEET generation we're building, are done with the "the company will take care of me" mentality. There has to be a carrot, there can't be a hope or a promise. Sticks don't work anymore. We're at that time when productivity increases will not happen without compensation increases. There is no more doing more for nothing and certainly no more doing more for less.`


We just entered this weird age where people who know how stuff works and how to fix broken things are going to be the saviors again. Most business analysts and middle management MBA holders can now be processed out of existence, we just don't trust large language models enough yet. If you can automate the report or the work, you can automate the report reader or work interpreter which means there are a ton of people with a huge skills gap looking for work. Being able to talk about doing work is no longer enough.
 
#67,111 ·
20 bucks an hour to drive hilo is about 30% over the average starting rate :ROFLMAO:

It's driving hilo, not performing surgery.

Idk what you guys think unskilled labor pays or is worth, but there seems to be some disconnect with reality here. I know they're forklift certified and all, but let's be real.

Average salary in the state of Michigan is 49k and 20 bucks an hour is 42k 🤷‍♂️
 
#67,115 ·
Hiring is a bitch these days.

Had a new mechanic that was supposed to start this morning.

No show and ghosting me now. At this point I hope he's in jail and will need a job once he is out.
So glad my hiring days are over. Countless ghostings for interviews, and the ones that did show up were just on the edge of not being hired due to poor driving records. You want to be a mechanic? Can’t have pages of driving infractions including DUIs.
 
#67,116 ·
20 bucks an hour to drive hilo is about 30% over the average starting rate :ROFLMAO:

It's driving hilo, not performing surgery.

Idk what you guys think unskilled labor pays or is worth, but there seems to be some disconnect with reality here. I know they're forklift certified and all, but let's be real.

Average salary in the state of Michigan is 49k and 20 bucks an hour is 42k 🤷‍♂️
Is there anything else with that $20? 8 hour day? 401k where the employer puts something in? Health benefits that are more than the federally mandated minimum? Do you have to pass a drug test?
 
#67,117 ·
Is there anything else with that $20? 8 hour day? 401k where the employer puts something in? Health benefits that are more than the federally mandated minimum? Do you have to pass a drug test?
All of that, it's a normal, grown up factory job, not Hilo driving for Deandre's Pallet Liquidation Warehouse on the first and fifteenth of the month.
 
#67,118 ·
Hiring is a bitch these days.

Had a new mechanic that was supposed to start this morning.

No show and ghosting me now. At this point I hope he's in jail and will need a job once he is out.
Just had a conversation with his Sister. He passed away over the weekend.

I would still prefer he was in jail.

🙏
 
#67,120 · (Edited)
20 bucks an hour to drive hilo is about 30% over the average starting rate :ROFLMAO:

It's driving hilo, not performing surgery.

Idk what you guys think unskilled labor pays or is worth, but there seems to be some disconnect with reality here. I know they're forklift certified and all, but let's be real.

Average salary in the state of Michigan is 49k and 20 bucks an hour is 42k 🤷‍♂️
Take home, what $120/week? And that is assuming they don't have to pay for their healthcare etc. out of that.

EDIT: Fucked my math on this one, I didn't calculate all the way to week. Still, it's gotten tough to do even $2400/month take home.

if you have a 30 mile commute, assuming you get decent mpg's cost is $6/day now you're down to $90 / week essentially $360 for power and rent...

Fucking food costs the rest these days, much less trying to pay rent for someone. I have a friend that does it, he spends no extra on anything, lives on Ramen and whatever minimalist asian/rice food he can come up with. He puts solar lights outside all day and brings them in his house at night just to have light. He got down to doing the math... he turned his water heater off and was heating water on his stove for a bath, because it was a few bucks cheaper.

Luckily he's a Native American that enjoys bucking the system to live minimally. I don't think he would have the roof over his head driving his forklift if he didn't get whatever little money get gets for being 50% native from the tribe. Had he chosen to have a family he'd be completely screwed. $20 an hour is a bare minimum to even live now.

Everything has gone WAY and I know I haven't gotten a raise to match, and the $20 folks definitely aren't.