I do enjoy how the norm has become that the elections are rigged and that explains why Republicans are losing and not that the far right has gone off the deep end.

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I am curious what you perceive as “far right” and “deep end”.

 

I am curious what you perceive as “far right” and “deep end”.

You beat me to it. I was thinking the same thing.
Far right supports the sanctity of life, the unborn.

The far left on the other hand wants to murder babies in the womb up until birth because they call it reproductive healthcare.

The far right thinks its wrong to teach little kids about who they are "sexually". Telling little Johnny that he might no be a boy. He might be a girl and not all kids have a mommy and a daddy. Some kids have two mommies or two daddies.
Talk about confusing little lids about who they are and the far left thinks it's ok.
Next thing you know they will be putting drag queens in libraries to read to little kids. Oh wait they are already doing that.
This next generation of little kids in 10 to 15 years from now will be so messed up and confused.

The media is attempting to label conservatives as the far right out of control people, meanwhile that is exactly what the left has become.

Good is evil and evil is good.

 

Where is the "super moderator" at when we need him most?

I just woke up [emoji849]

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The food shortages are going to be widespread and real this time. It's not that the food is sitting in port in south america for whatever reason, I'm saying it won't match demand. Just because you can trade in your chicken wings for tendy defendys doesn't mean there isn't a shortage. When there is a shortage, that means the prevailing minimum commodity cost to provide it is exceeded due to demand outpacing supply and allowing entities along the supply chain to take higher than normal profit.

I didn't say anything about famine. Wealthy countries will not experience famine, that's going to be places like Lebanon and Venezeula. However, the "poor" in wealthy countries will likely face calorie hardship which is when children don't learn as well in school and family dynamics can get a little bit stressful.

The main reason for the food shortages is weather, disease, and population migration. There are some things that are going to be man-made mistakes like the shitshow that is the Netherlands.

Karens can't afford to go and buy up all the shitter paper this time. There is no free money coming in. The wealthy learned last time they can easily buy their way out of the problem so they don't care and the lower and lower-middle class ain't got no extra Biden Bucks.


I'll pick a boring example. Durum wheat. Last year the crop was abysmal. Canada makes a lot of it for export in their plains provinces just like the US does in its plains states like even Montana. In the southern hemisphere there are several other huge exporters. Well, drought has been a problem everywhere. The Russkies made sure that there were disruptions to the winter crop with their madness and planting didn't happen quite right due to their madness. And the silos are emptying fast. That's why a year ago you could buy Barilla pasta (made in Italy) for a buck a pound and this year many stores quit carrying it altogether. It's not that they aren't still making assloads of it, it's just that in a place where Creamette and Mueller's exist, Barilla pasta is a premium brand and it's more cost effective for it to stay on the other side of the Atlantic. No duties, no container ships, nothing. So without competition, Creamette and Mueller's can raise their prices well beyond what their contract price increases were for the durum wheat they buy.

So sure, you can still buy food to eat, but it's just moving the problems around. And it's not like anyone got a COLA to match the food price change.

 

I am curious what you perceive as “far right” and “deep end”.

If you have to ask, it's probably you. If you have to blabber on "defending" your views it's definitely you. Both extremes just keep pushing further apart because they want to show the other extreme who's boss. Meanwhile both just get more and more wrong more and more often. I miss moderates from both sides being able to have reasonable discussions.

The food shortages are going to be widespread and real this time. It's not that the food is sitting in port in south america for whatever reason, I'm saying it won't match demand. Just because you can trade in your chicken wings for tendy defendys doesn't mean there isn't a shortage. When there is a shortage, that means the prevailing minimum commodity cost to provide it is exceeded due to demand outpacing supply and allowing entities along the supply chain to take higher than normal profit.

I didn't say anything about famine. Wealthy countries will not experience famine, that's going to be places like Lebanon and Venezeula. However, the "poor" in wealthy countries will likely face calorie hardship which is when children don't learn as well in school and family dynamics can get a little bit stressful.

The main reason for the food shortages is weather, disease, and population migration. There are some things that are going to be man-made mistakes like the shitshow that is the Netherlands.

Karens can't afford to go and buy up all the shitter paper this time. There is no free money coming in. The wealthy learned last time they can easily buy their way out of the problem so they don't care and the lower and lower-middle class ain't got no extra Biden Bucks.


I'll pick a boring example. Durum wheat. Last year the crop was abysmal. Canada makes a lot of it for export in their plains provinces just like the US does in its plains states like even Montana. In the southern hemisphere there are several other huge exporters. Well, drought has been a problem everywhere. The Russkies made sure that there were disruptions to the winter crop with their madness and planting didn't happen quite right due to their madness. And the silos are emptying fast. That's why a year ago you could buy Barilla pasta (made in Italy) for a buck a pound and this year many stores quit carrying it altogether. It's not that they aren't still making assloads of it, it's just that in a place where Creamette and Mueller's exist, Barilla pasta is a premium brand and it's more cost effective for it to stay on the other side of the Atlantic. No duties, no container ships, nothing. So without competition, Creamette and Mueller's can raise their prices well beyond what their contract price increases were for the durum wheat they buy.

So sure, you can still buy food to eat, but it's just moving the problems around. And it's not like anyone got a COLA to match the food price change.

Okay so basically what I said but longer. Got it. I suppose I'll just have to buy Meijer brand pasta like I've been doing forever. Guess it's a good think I got a really good raise this year and now have 25% less mouths to feed.

 

If you have to ask, it's probably you. If you have to blabber on "defending" your views it's definitely you. Both extremes just keep pushing further apart because they want to show the other extreme who's boss. Meanwhile both just get more and more wrong more and more often. I miss moderates from both sides being able to have reasonable discussions.


Okay so basically what I said but longer. Got it. I suppose I'll just have to buy Meijer brand pasta like I've been doing forever. Guess it's a good think I got a really good raise this year and now have 25% less mouths to feed.

Did I miss something? Did your daughter pass? If so, I am so sorry for your loss!! I feel terrible I didn't see that post.

 

If you have to ask, it's probably you. If you have to blabber on "defending" your views it's definitely you. Both extremes just keep pushing further apart because they want to show the other extreme who's boss. Meanwhile both just get more and more wrong more and more often. I miss moderates from both sides being able to have reasonable discussions.

I don’t know what a moderate is.
If you don’t fall in line, you are labeled.

Ten years ago if you said democrat policies would lead to girls competing against men dressed as girls you would be labeled a right wing extremist fear monger. Yet here we are.
The level of insanity being mainstreamed is boggling.

Trans swimmer Lia Thomas nominated for NCAA Woman of the Year award

The University of Pennsylvania athlete shot to fame earlier this year when she became the first transgender NCAA champion in Division I history.

www.nbcnews.com

You can run that same paradigm through with energy, border control, education, transportation and every any other issue that really isn’t that difficult, but being made so.

 

Did I miss something? Did your daughter pass? If so, I am so sorry for your loss!! I feel terrible I didn't see that post.

Yes on June 9

See page 3289. Speaking of which, thank you everyone for all the kind words back when I posted it. I bounce in and out of this site, I did see them but I didn't want to keep bringing the topic back up once the thread had moved on to something else. Partly because it seems selfish, partly because I like the distraction of other topics to get my mind off life. But since I inadvertently brought it up again, thank you all.

 

OK I am doing this ONLY for the health of @bbaXJ and to get his mind on other things. Take this as "old school" gl4x4 medicinal procedures.

Bouncing Boob Thread

Please stop fucking up the meme thread. Post all bouncy boob pics and GIF's here instead :flipoff2:

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🤣 Thanks Jim, way to be a team player!

 

I don’t know what a moderate is.
If you don’t fall in line, you are labeled.

Ten years ago if you said democrat policies would lead to girls competing against men dressed as girls you would be labeled a right wing extremist fear monger. Yet here we are.
The level of insanity being mainstreamed is boggling.

Trans swimmer Lia Thomas nominated for NCAA Woman of the Year award

The University of Pennsylvania athlete shot to fame earlier this year when she became the first transgender NCAA champion in Division I history.

www.nbcnews.com

You can run that same paradigm through with energy, border control, education, transportation and every any other issue that really isn’t that difficult, but being made so.

I consider myself to be a "moderate", but maybe "centralist" might be a better term. But really, I'm not in favor of any of the labeling. I am me, this is my opinion.

For example, with regards to transwomen competing against biological women, I am not effect one way of another. I do not personally know anyone who is. My personal opinion is that they shouldn't be allowed, but I want to hear from those that are effected, the athletes themselves. If biological women are OK with competing against transwomen, then I'm OK with it, but if their not, then I'm OK with them being excluded. The problem of course is that there are problem many women athletes who are afraid to say publicly against having to compete against transwomen for fear of being labeled.

 

OK I am doing this ONLY for the health of @bbaXJ and to get his mind on other things. Take this as "old school" gl4x4 medicinal procedures.

Bouncing Boob Thread

Please stop fucking up the meme thread. Post all bouncy boob pics and GIF's here instead :flipoff2:

irate4x4.com

Reminds me of

 

I consider myself to be a "moderate", but maybe "centralist" might be a better term. But really, I'm not in favor of any of the labeling. I am me, this is my opinion.

For example, with regards to transwomen competing against biological women, I am not effect one way of another. I do not personally know anyone who is. My personal opinion is that they shouldn't be allowed, but I want to hear from those that are effected, the athletes themselves. If biological women are OK with competing against transwomen, then I'm OK with it, but if their not, then I'm OK with them being excluded. The problem of course is that there are problem many women athletes who are afraid to say publicly against having to compete against transwomen for fear of being labeled.

Same. I don't necessarily agree with the whole trans "movement", I think of it as more of a mental health issue than anything else, but despite what Aber claims it's not actually affecting anyone I've personally ever met. No one is indoctrinating my kid or conditioning them to do anything. If they were I'd deal with it personally. I think it's ridiculous that .1% of the population demands 75% of the attention and acknowledgement, but that's the society we live in where everyone thinks their voice matters. Sure there's a political aspect to it but it's also just a societal shift. Sorry but something harmless like adding a lesbian superhero to a movie isn't the end of the world.

Anyway, I don't have a problem with the trans sports issue based on principle, I have a problem with it based on an unfair physical advantage. For example, if a trans man wants to compete in men's sports then have at it, he'll just have to work that much harder to compete. But there are men's and women's sports for a reason; men are genetically built differently and are generally more physically capable for many sports. A trans woman still has those genetic traits that give them an unfair advantage. Therefore it's unfair for a trans woman competing against biological women because of physical capabilities, like putting a heavyweight in a boxing ring with a welterweight.

 

The trans gender and "identify" thing is real. I have a daughter who teaches elementary school, and granddaughters in junior high and high school. My daughter is not in the mainstream classroom, as she works with special needs students. But, yes, she tells me there are "furries" in the schools and parents support it. (literally demanding that there be kitty litter in the bathrooms) My granddaughters report the same thing and state that being gay or trans is the new trendy thing for a lot of kids. Also the pronoun thing is real. There is a 10th grader that identifies as a ghost and demands to be called "ghost". If any kids tease her, "they" are the ones in trouble. To think that it isn't being pushed at all levels of the public schools is not facing reality.

RE sports, I think it's stupid that a male be allowed to compete in female sports when it's proven (especially post puberty) that males have more muscle mass and are typically stronger, bigger and taller than women. It has been shown more than once in pro tennis that the top women can't compete with older or lower ranked men. Battle of the Sexes: When the World No. 203 swept the Williams sisters - MARCA in English

I agree that if the women don't care, I don't either but I don't think that's the case. I also agree that many women may be afraid to speak up during this woke time we live in. But I can't see how it seems fair.

My vote would be;
mens sports
womens sports
open format sports

 

The trans gender and "identify" thing is real. I have a daughter who teaches elementary school, and granddaughters in junior high and high school. My daughter is not in the mainstream classroom, as she works with special needs students. But, yes, she tells me there are "furries" in the schools and parents support it. (literally demanding that there be kitty litter in the bathrooms) My granddaughters report the same thing and state that being gay or trans is the new trendy thing for a lot of kids. Also the pronoun thing is real. There is a 10th grader that identifies as a ghost and demands to be called "ghost". If any kids tease her, "they" are the ones in trouble. To think that it isn't being pushed at all levels of the public schools is not facing reality.

RE sports, I think it's stupid that a male be allowed to compete in female sports when it's proven (especially post puberty) that males have more muscle mass and are typically stronger, bigger and taller than women. It has been shown more than once in pro tennis that the top women can't compete with older or lower ranked men. Battle of the Sexes: When the World No. 203 swept the Williams sisters - MARCA in English

I agree that if the women don't care, I don't either but I don't think that's the case. I also agree that many women may be afraid to speak up during this woke time we live in. But I can't see how it seems fair.

My vote would be;
mens sports
womens sports
open format sports

People get mad at me when I say my son will be raised with male and female gender roles. Things that generally men do, and generally female do. Along with that, if he questions them, I will not punish him for it, I will support him. But In no way will I let my son grow up thinking that you aren't something just because you don't want to be. You can be a male that wants to looks like a female, that doesn't make you female, and vice versa.

Letting kids that are literally not able to mentally understand what they are doing, do them, is like throwing gas on a fire and wondering why the flames are getting bigger. Your child can't sit in a front seat, or without a booster seat, cause you know better than them, but they have every ability to make an truly informed decision of their gender and identity.

right.

 

The trans gender and "identify" thing is real. I have a daughter who teaches elementary school, and granddaughters in junior high and high school. My daughter is not in the mainstream classroom, as she works with special needs students. But, yes, she tells me there are "furries" in the schools and parents support it. (literally demanding that there be kitty litter in the bathrooms) My granddaughters report the same thing and state that being gay or trans is the new trendy thing for a lot of kids. Also the pronoun thing is real. There is a 10th grader that identifies as a ghost and demands to be called "ghost". If any kids tease her, "they" are the ones in trouble. To think that it isn't being pushed at all levels of the public schools is not facing reality.

No doubt it's real, but we're talking a big difference between those who claim it's being PUSHED and it being accepted. Do I think it's gone way too far into forced acceptance? Absolutely. Some kids are just weird and we shouldn't necessarily be persecuting them for it, but not everything should be accepted for fear of being labeled a bigot or homophobe or xenophobe or whatever other label they came up with today either. We've absolutely tipped the scales too far in that direction, but that's still not the same as indoctrinating, pushing, or "grooming". But guess what, there are still parents at home who should be handling it themselves if their kids are being unreasonable. I remember a lot of weird ass kids in high school(1998-2002), this isn't anything new. Now there are just more labels and it's talked about more thanks to an entire world of information immediately available at our fingertips. Some of it is progress for things like mental health and kids who are different, some of it is absolute insanity.

People get mad at me when I say my son will be raised with male and female gender roles. Things that generally men do, and generally female do. Along with that, if he questions them, I will not punish him for it, I will support him. But In no way will I let my son grow up thinking that you aren't something just because you don't want to be. You can be a male that wants to looks like a female, that doesn't make you female, and vice versa.

Letting kids that are literally not able to mentally understand what they are doing, do them, is like throwing gas on a fire and wondering why the flames are getting bigger. Your child can't sit in a front seat, or without a booster seat, cause you know better than them, but they have every ability to make an truly informed decision of their gender and identity.

right.

Counterpoint to that is the big sticking point here though; pushing kids that are literally not able to mentally understand what they are doing to do them, is like throwing gas on a fire and wondering why the flames are getting bigger. Letting a kid experiment and figure themselves out is a whole lot different than latching onto the first sign of gender confusion, homosexuality, etc and running with it and never looking back. There's a huge grey area there that neither side talks about much.

I don't care about gender roles, that's a thing of the past IMO. My 7 year old son likes to paint his nails sometimes because some of the rockstars he likes did it. I'm not worried about that at all, but I'm also not one of those crazies who's gonna start buying him dresses and grooming him to turn into a girl either. He's a kid doing kid stuff. When I was a kid I enjoyed going to craft shows with my mom, which then led to a period where I made cool bracelets and necklaces for fun. Pretty girly, right? Doesn't mean my mom tried to turn me into a girl or convince me I was gay. Now I build Jeeps and split firewood and shoot guns and live in a log cabin and bang my hot biologically and permanently female wife.

Let kids be kids, if a boy wants to play with dolls or a kitchen set who freaking cares? Only a man who's not secure with his own sexuality would be bent out of shape about that IMO. But a parent also shouldn't try and steer them into one of those "other" sexualities or genders or whatever before they're old enough to understand it themselves. Support a kid who's figuring it out? Sure, but not steer them when they don't understand it themselves. Kids are still figuring themselves out WELL into the teenage years. No parent should be pushing them into deciding who they are or who they love or what they identify as before that. Try and help them understand and steer themselves sure, but don't convince your 12 year old to chop their dick off because then they might turn into a very confused, regrettful, and trapped 14 year old. I know that's an extreme example, but that seems to be where these conversations head. Don't make temporary phases become lifelong decisions.

 

Okay so basically what I said but longer. Got it. I suppose I'll just have to buy Meijer brand pasta like I've been doing forever. Guess it's a good think I got a really good raise this year and now have 25% less mouths to feed.

Yes, but you said what I said but equally long! haha. I'm kind of picky about what I buy. You should have seen me lose my shit when Nestea ceased to exist.

I'm glad you got a raise that was worthwhile. While I've been looking for my damn cat every day feeding ticks and mosquitoes I think how much that it sucks and the gut-wrenching every time I get a whiff of a dead animal and am afraid I'm going to find the damn cat... but it's got nothing on losing a kidlet.

 

No doubt it's real, but we're talking a big difference between those who claim it's being PUSHED and it being accepted. Do I think it's gone way too far into forced acceptance? Absolutely. Some kids are just weird and we shouldn't necessarily be persecuting them for it, but not everything should be accepted for fear of being labeled a bigot or homophobe or xenophobe or whatever other label they came up with today either. We've absolutely tipped the scales too far in that direction, but that's still not the same as indoctrinating, pushing, or "grooming". But guess what, there are still parents at home who should be handling it themselves if their kids are being unreasonable. I remember a lot of weird ass kids in high school(1998-2002), this isn't anything new. Now there are just more labels and it's talked about more thanks to an entire world of information immediately available at our fingertips. Some of it is progress for things like mental health and kids who are different, some of it is absolute insanity.


Counterpoint to that is the big sticking point here though; pushing kids that are literally not able to mentally understand what they are doing to do them, is like throwing gas on a fire and wondering why the flames are getting bigger. Letting a kid experiment and figure themselves out is a whole lot different than latching onto the first sign of gender confusion, homosexuality, etc and running with it and never looking back. There's a huge grey area there that neither side talks about much.

I don't care about gender roles, that's a thing of the past IMO. My 7 year old son likes to paint his nails sometimes because some of the rockstars he likes did it. I'm not worried about that at all, but I'm also not one of those crazies who's gonna start buying him dresses and grooming him to turn into a girl either. He's a kid doing kid stuff. When I was a kid I enjoyed going to craft shows with my mom, which then led to a period where I made cool bracelets and necklaces for fun. Pretty girly, right? Doesn't mean my mom tried to turn me into a girl or convince me I was gay. Now I build Jeeps and split firewood and shoot guns and live in a log cabin and bang my hot biologically and permanently female wife.

Let kids be kids, if a boy wants to play with dolls or a kitchen set who freaking cares? Only a man who's not secure with his own sexuality would be bent out of shape about that IMO. But a parent also shouldn't try and steer them into one of those "other" sexualities or genders or whatever before they're old enough to understand it themselves. Support a kid who's figuring it out? Sure, but not steer them when they don't understand it themselves. Kids are still figuring themselves out WELL into the teenage years. No parent should be pushing them into deciding who they are or who they love or what they identify as before that. Try and help them understand and steer themselves sure, but don't convince your 12 year old to chop their dick off because then they might turn into a very confused, regrettful, and trapped 14 year old. I know that's an extreme example, but that seems to be where these conversations head. Don't make temporary phases become lifelong decisions.

Exactly what I was saying; just worded better lol

 

I hate where most liberals have gone with the gender identity issue. My view is there there are, for the most part 2 genders, and that the tern "gender" only refers to genes and reproductive plumbing. I think it's counter productive to include sexual orientation and who knows what else in the definition of gender. All that does if help refine the stereotypes. Teach kids that they can be just who they are and that they don't have to choose just t ofit in.

 

Teach kids that boys are boys and girls are girls. Encourage it. "IF" they are truly gay, they will know and they will know for sure "when" they know. Why do I say this? It's a discussion I had when a guy I know told me he was gay, his progression through life, no interest in girls, etc.

We found it quite interesting that my sister in law always wanted "gender neutral" toys for her kids. (1 boy, 1 girl) It's amazing how much he was a boy and how much she was a girl. They migrated to those things they were interested in. Him; guns, boats, diving. Her; dancing and pretty clothes. All this even though both kids were only exposed to gender neutral toys in their early years.

And at the end of the day, your genetics and what you have between your legs are either male or female. Everything else is in your head.