[griff]

so i have been tolled that i should put my track bar back on. it is a dd so if flex becomes a prob i will take it off for wheeling but for now it gos back on. now for the question. will a tj lift bracket work on a yj front..

thanks dave

 

[ckupq]

What is the reason some gave you for putting a trackbar back on your jeep?

 

[griff]

said that a new steering stabilizer and an alinement to fix my death wobble. the info came from a shop that said i should just cut it out before i got the wobble. i have read that putting new rubber in the mounts can fix wobble in some stock hight jeeps. so if it helps then the flex lose is worth the not dyeing on the road.

 

[Rob the plumber]

I don't think that shop knows what they are talking about. Either that, or you are losing something in the translation. The track bar will have nothing to do with your death wobble. Actual death wobble is not a simple task on a leaf sprung Jeep. You would have to have some seriously whacked front end parts for it to happen. On coil sprung Jeeps you can get death wobble from a slightly loose track bar. No track bar, and you will probably crash. :thumb:

YJ's don't need a track bar. Cut the rear one off too while you are at it. The leafs allow the axle to move up and down only. The track bar swings like a pendulum from the frame to axle.

Leafs want to go up and down, Track bar wants to swing left and right. The result is factory designed suspension binding and poor suspension flex action. :woot: I have no track bar on my YJ. It is lifted 7" and on 35's and I can check my email while going 75mph down I-94.

 

[Sandals]

said that a new steering stabilizer and an alinement to fix my death wobble.

whoever told you that is an idiot.

Steps to start with for a YJ

1. REMOVE steering stabilizer, it will only mask other worn components.

2. Adjust Toe-in, measure from the center point of your front tires, a front and back reading, adjust till about 1/8" of toe-in. For more detailed info Search

3. Make sure you leaf spring bolts are tight, and shackles are not bent. By tight, dont go wrench on them, they should be able to still turnn when at torque specs, if not your jeep will ride hard as a rock.

4. check your front shocks, make sure they are tight, and not completely worn.

5. Make sure you ball joints, wheel bearings and all tie rod/drag link ends are in good condition



I drove my YJ for 7 years as a daily driver. If WAS NOT stock during that time frame. Trackbars came off of it when it was 6 months old with the first lift and never went back on.
I did periodically use the sway bar though.

 

[griff]

whoever told you that is an idiot.

Steps to start with for a YJ

1. REMOVE steering stabilizer, it will only mask other worn components.

2. Adjust Toe-in, measure from the center point of your front tires, a front and back reading, adjust till about 1/8" of toe-in. For more detailed info Search

3. Make sure you leaf spring bolts are tight, and shackles are not bent. By tight, dont go wrench on them, they should be able to still turnn when at torque specs, if not your jeep will ride hard as a rock.

4. check your front shocks, make sure they are tight, and not completely worn.

5. Make sure you ball joints, wheel bearings and all tie rod/drag link ends are in good condition



I drove my YJ for 7 years as a daily driver. If WAS NOT stock during that time frame. Trackbars came off of it when it was 6 months old with the first lift and never went back on.
I did periodically use the sway bar though.

what is the torque spec for the leafs? if i take it in for an alinement will they get it to the toe im looking for? the shocks and springs are new all around. they are a cr 2.5 lift. i just had the wheel joints done. i pic it up in the morning. he checked out all the parts and said i should have the above work done. i know the stabilizer is bad. it blew on sunday so i dont mind fixing that.

 

[Sandals]

If you take it in for an alignment the ONLY thing you are paying them to adjust is the toe-in. a VERY easy thing, not worth the $60 or whatever they are charging now. Nothing else is adjustable.

I would have to google the specs for the leaves, so i'll let you do that yourself.
the stabilizer may be bad , BUT IT WONT CAUSE ANY ISSUES. That is why i said to take it OFF when having problems. find the problems, fix them and then put it back on, as it does absorb road noise, BUT WONT CAUSE MAJOR ISSUES.

 

[junk90xj]

A. no a tj trac bar bracket and a yj trac bar bracket are not interchangeable.

B. i said you need an alignment to fix the death wobble.

C. i told you the axle joints had nothig to do with the deathwobble.

D. i told you the steering stab was bad and need to be replaced. i didnt say it was the problem.

E. me telling you to hook up the front trac bar was only because its a dd and it will make the front end feel more stable in ride quality.


if when we talked on the phone i didnt make myself clear im sorry. ill see you in the morning:thumb:

 

[griff]

a thanks
b i thought that was just part of the fix
c right i knew that after you tolled me when o dropped it off
d i thought that was just a part of the fix
e again i thought that was another part of what was wrong. but because i am new to the jeep world i want it as stable as i can get it till i can tell when it "just isnt right".
plus i have read other posts and on other forums about the track bar being a posable fix for death wobble. again thank you for all the work you have done for me. especially fixing my mistakes.

 

[griff]

ok had the alignment done and i think it made the wobble worse. any thoughts?

 

[PavementPounder]

ok had the alignment done and i think it made the wobble worse. any thoughts?

It didn't make it worse. It removed the preload that the misalignment may have given the system, which mostly kept the steering and axle lodged to one side.

Death wobble on a leaf-sprung vehicle can be caused by front tires that are fighting each other. One tire always has more steering control than the other (governed by toe-in and friction), but when that control is shifted back and forth you get death wobble.

If you are now aligned and it is happening more often, you have succeeded in unmasking whatever the real problem is. You need to look at what would allow your front axle to swing cross-car under the Jeep. Things you should look at are:

• Extended shackles. Especially stupid-long ones.
• Bad shackle/spring bushings. Very common cause.
• Do you have the proper bushing design for the type of shackle you have? Beveled bushings are not for use with shackles that have crossmembers.
• Worn unit bearings. Less likely, but still possible.
• Stretched shackle hanger bolts that allow the entire shackle hanger to "roll" back and forth on the frame. More common on CJ's, though.
• Worn out TRE's, probably on the drag link since Ken would not have done an alignment if you had bad ones on the tie-rod. This is probably the most common along with the bad spring/shackle bushings.

 

[Jeeperz Creeperz]

Actual death wobble is not a simple task on a leaf sprung Jeep. You would have to have some seriously whacked front end parts for it to happen.

Older F250/350 solid axle trucks were prone to death wobble if the track bar bolt became loose.

 

[PavementPounder]

I'll have to take Rob the plumber for a ride in my Suburban, too. :teehee:

 

[Pokerob]

Older F250/350 solid axle trucks were prone to death wobble if the track bar bolt became loose.

I'll have to take Rob the plumber for a ride in my Suburban, too. :teehee:

he said leaf sprung jeep. just sayin

 

[Jeeperz Creeperz]

he said leaf sprung jeep. just sayin

Yes, he did.

Thanks! :thumb:

 

[griff]

when i picked it up from all pro this morning he said to go with about a 1/4 toe in on the front and everything else looked good. i took it to belle tire to do the alinement and they wouldnt do 1/4 in. it wasnt what there computer called for. then they bitched about my not having the track bar or sway bar hooked up.

 

[94rangeron35s]

From what i have seen with a leaf sprung jeeps having track bars makes a world of difference in the handling especially in a dd, not having a track bar can allow the axle and springs to sort of walk back and forth under the jeep if the bushings are slightly worn or the shackles themselves are weak or if there is an extended shackle involved. but if this is a wheeler only Remove them without looking back both track bar and sway bars limit wheel travel, and an 1/8-1/4 inch of toe in is acceptable on quite a few strait axled Vehicles.

 

[PavementPounder]

when i picked it up from all pro this morning he said to go with about a 1/4 toe in on the front and everything else looked good. i took it to belle tire to do the alinement and they wouldnt do 1/4 in. it wasnt what there computer called for. then they bitched about my not having the track bar or sway bar hooked up.

That's because they are incapable of thinking for themselves. When I took the Suburban to Belle with the D60 under it, I thought the guy's head was going to explode.

You can set the toe-in yourself.

 

[griff]

That's because they are incapable of thinking for themselves. When I took the Suburban to Belle with the D60 under it, I thought the guy's head was going to explode.

You can set the toe-in yourself.

lol. i think im going to do that this week.

 

[griff]

ok i hate to say this but i put the track bar back on and 90% of the wobble is gone. (i didnt need the lift bracket) i need to get it alined still and get the stabilizer on but i think its close now.
why would the track bar work? im not trying to be a dick. i have been tolled buy almost everyone it wouldnt help and it did. i have been tolled why it wouldnt help anyone know why it would?