we are trying to do the best job we can at making a park for the people. we want to make it as much fun for everyone, while challenging at the same time. we would like to hear your opinions, suggestions of what you want, what you thought was fun, or what you didn like. lets hear what you guys want. we will try our best to get something for everyone. hope to see everyone very soon. May 16th is the opening weekend, and we will be having trail rides before then.
rocks and valleys suggestions....
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Ron and Eric,
I really like what you guys have done so far especially with the new hill climb section Ron showed us just prior to our departure saturday. After some rain and a few folks climbing these they should just get better.
Leave tree's you think you shouldn't, they can always be taken out later if they pose a problem. If you can keep the dozer on it's track then what Nuzzy said about off camber or side hilling with some rocks would be sweet!
And a suggestion for the camping area would be dust control (parking lot mostly) over the summer months. Sounds silly but it sucks sitting outside eating a dirt filled sandwhich as dust rolls over your picnic table.
So far you guys are doing everything right, keep it up.
People will also want a simple "you are here" type of map.
I really like what you guys have done so far especially with the new hill climb section Ron showed us just prior to our departure saturday. After some rain and a few folks climbing these they should just get better.
Leave tree's you think you shouldn't, they can always be taken out later if they pose a problem. If you can keep the dozer on it's track then what Nuzzy said about off camber or side hilling with some rocks would be sweet!
And a suggestion for the camping area would be dust control (parking lot mostly) over the summer months. Sounds silly but it sucks sitting outside eating a dirt filled sandwhich as dust rolls over your picnic table.
So far you guys are doing everything right, keep it up.
People will also want a simple "you are here" type of map.
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I told Ron to get the dozer out, angle the blade and make some of these:
It should be noted that we drove 5 rigs through these notches without pulling cable.
It should be noted that we drove 5 rigs through these notches without pulling cable.
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Those are EXACLTY the kind of modifications that can be made to otherwise flat land to make it more enjoyable! Anything that gets the blood flowing, gets things off balance, and makes ya pucker a bit. Perfect for lessor built rigs too that want to really test their limits while having fun :thumb:
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Yup. I broke my windshield even with it folded down.:whiz: The place is a blast. I would go back in a heartbeat.
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how wide is your jeep jim? i got rained out today, and im goin to start a few new trails, and i need to know how narrow is too narrow?
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bodies are around 60" wide and over all widths are 75-90"... most average being around 80"
if a trail has trees that are 80" wide it is TIGHT. anything under 100" should take some precise driving to get it through.
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I'm 87" outside tire to outside tire in the front and have driven through trees 60-65" apart. What does that tell ya :thumb:
Goal post obstacles are always fun!
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If my body is 60" wide & then I add another 6" each side for rock rails, that makes me 72" (6') at my body. Like Nuzzy, I have driven through that narrow of a trail. It's extremely challenging to come in at an angle, stuff one tire through and then work the other one through. The hard part is getting the back tires through. I wouldn't want the entire trail like that, especially if it is off camber because it could be close to impossible. Bryce's numbers of 80" would be a good ballpark where some spots are occasionally tighter. Erin's comment of 85" being too wide is true. Put it this way, I have run some quad trails and only once been denied being able to get through. If you make it too tight for some, so be it. Hairpin turns are good too. Especially if off camber. Those without a cage won't be able to run it. Again, so be it.
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alright guys, im goin on my own this weekend and gonna make a few trails through the thickest woods on the property. ill go with around 70 to 80" trails. ill get a bamboo gate from the ski hill, cut it to length, and if i can fit it between trees, ill leave it. may not be too many large obstacles in this trail yet, but ill make it so your rubbin and drivin the whole time. ill try to get a few done before grand opening, and ill reroute them over any large stumps, logs, and theres a few nice off camber hills ill take them side hill also. may be able to get the kubota and drag a few large rocks in at inopurtune spots too. im trying guys, hang with me and ill try to give ya something to smile about.
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rons got the new rock crawl just about done, and the parking lot is being seeded, to try and keep dust down, and keep it from being washed away with all this rain we've been getting. should be a little greenery for the grand opening. goin to cut a few more trails through the thick woods for the tight stuff, and the top of the gravel pit is getting alot of trenches dug, with sharp corners, and steep climbs. should be alot of fun for the opening weekend. we've been getting alot of ppl calling about coming and staying the whole weekend, so it sounds like were gonna be busy.
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Well first off, you guys are doing great things up there. :thumb:
Tight and twisty trails can certainly maximize your space available and some of the trails we hit exemplified that. I saw plenty of three point turns :d:
But one idea that kept popping into my head was the off camber possibilities... Especially when we were over laying on all those hill climbs over by F. I couldn't help but think how some of those type areas could benefit from a trail that diagonaled or zig-zagged the hill giving the "tippy" feeling. Especially with all the those trees around so you had to drive carefully and work your way through.
Angles like these...
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...where if you slide down or get out of position you have a tree to deal with. It makes careful control a must. It also gives another facet to deal with on a given obstacle --> the "lateral slide". You've got a lot of straight hill climbs which are great, and straight crawls which are great. But fighting the tendency of a vehicle to slide sideways is a whole other area you could look to when making new obstacles that would be a lot of fun! Especially when it gets rainy and slick!!
I really like how excited you guys are about making this place all it can be :beer:
Tight and twisty trails can certainly maximize your space available and some of the trails we hit exemplified that. I saw plenty of three point turns :d:
But one idea that kept popping into my head was the off camber possibilities... Especially when we were over laying on all those hill climbs over by F. I couldn't help but think how some of those type areas could benefit from a trail that diagonaled or zig-zagged the hill giving the "tippy" feeling. Especially with all the those trees around so you had to drive carefully and work your way through.
Angles like these...
...where if you slide down or get out of position you have a tree to deal with. It makes careful control a must. It also gives another facet to deal with on a given obstacle --> the "lateral slide". You've got a lot of straight hill climbs which are great, and straight crawls which are great. But fighting the tendency of a vehicle to slide sideways is a whole other area you could look to when making new obstacles that would be a lot of fun! Especially when it gets rainy and slick!!
I really like how excited you guys are about making this place all it can be :beer:
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No worries. Y'all been busy :rock:
Hopefully will be heading up there again in the next few weeks. Gotta see everything I didn't get the chance to last time :woot:
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Let me know... I'm all for another trip
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anybody got any other ideas, requests?
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some more stock, slightly modified trails, like pack a lunch, etc.some berms, whoops my jeep would get wrecked in the rocks, I love the tight trails, but folks with wider and newer vehicles won't venture down most, and probaly steer some away. Daily drivers don't want major damage, or possible rollovers, some of us aren't experts yet, and would like to do all but when big logs, big rocks in such are there, they will miss out on the majority there. I noticed allot of what is there is for the hardcore. For us concerned about our vehicle some of the trails were not sure what's there so we avoid them Which is great for the folks with endless pocketbooks and access to fab shops and such and well built vehicles and trailer there rigs. I love the place, but I have to drive home too.
But it's awesome and someday would like to say I can tackle it all
But it's awesome and someday would like to say I can tackle it all
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I find it interesting that you say that as I would say just the opposite. I find the the twisty trails like python to be quite mild as are most of the trails. Fun, yes. Scenic, yes. Hardcore, no.
There are a total of 3 hills with rocks on them (winch hill, the rock wall and the playground) and one trail with large logs. In turn, the gravel pit has a couple dozen small burms for a stock rig, 3 hills at stump hill and at least 5 stock climbs out of the valley. All of which a dual locked rig can idle. Not to mention the countless other vertical trails surrounding the gravel pit in the woods. There are also several trails between the parking lot and the long crawl that are great for a stock to mild rig. The long crawl is tough but the obstacle area just west of it is quite mild.
Ron, I have noticed several places where you say "lockers required" where I don't think it necessary. Some of those places are doable by milder rig and you may be steering some people away from obstacles that they "should" be experimenting with. So what if they need to get winched or tugged out? In many cases it would be more appropriate to say "suggested" rather than "required". Let the driver make that decision.
I think it all comes down to perception but my vote is that Ron has done a great job of providing a good mix for all levels of rigs.:woot:
I also want to bump the suggestion below.
oke: It's not like you have been busy prepping for anything else.:teehee:I told Ron to get the dozer out, angle the blade and make some of these:
It should be noted that we drove 5 rigs through these notches without pulling cable.
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I gotta agree with the rhino. Ron cant cater to the heavily modified rigs because they are the minority. Thats just not smart business wise. Thats why the park is being done the way it is. If it was built for buggies and guys on tons with 42s you would see way harder climbs and boulder fields. I think its set up great right now. It has a few hard challenges but nothing to extreme. I trailer my rig. but dont always want to have to come home and fix something i broke.
on the signage. Lockers required helps keep from bottlenecking but also might steer capable enough rigs from learning how to drive techniquel and work with what they have.
maybe change the signage from lockers required to a rating system of 1-4. Then it leaves it up to the driver. I know a guy that did most of the obstacles with an open rear axle on 35s when i was there a few weeks ago.
just my .02cents
on the signage. Lockers required helps keep from bottlenecking but also might steer capable enough rigs from learning how to drive techniquel and work with what they have.
maybe change the signage from lockers required to a rating system of 1-4. Then it leaves it up to the driver. I know a guy that did most of the obstacles with an open rear axle on 35s when i was there a few weeks ago.
just my .02cents
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