I always follow up my questions with "Why do you continue to work there?" Or some variation of that.

What was the most colorful way someone has quit this place and which one of you 3 plan to top that?

 

lol for sure.

I see it as a BS question to ask the person hiring. They know why they want to work there; cause they're looking for a job, and you're hiring lol.

I think it's a much more legitimate question to ask an employer. Probably for more higher level jobs, burger flipping or bagging groceris wouldn't really mean much. But why would a person with qualifying skills, experience, and a bunch of other stuff to offer; why should they choose you?

At some point, I think an interview is actually two interviews, the employer and person applying. I passed on two jobs because I did not like the place/what I heard during the interview. I mean, if i was desperate, that's be different, but I wasn't at the time.

I also passed on a couple jobs in my most recent job search. My reputation is important to me, it seemed they wanted someone to rubber stamp anything they did. I'm not interested.

The auto manufacturing industry, in engineering, is a fairly small world. I often run into people I've known in previous lives, theirs or mine. At the very least, I want them to say that I have integrity.

 

lol for sure.

I see it as a BS question to ask the person hiring. They know why they want to work there; cause they're looking for a job, and you're hiring lol.

I think it's a much more legitimate question to ask an employer. Probably for more higher level jobs, burger flipping or bagging groceris wouldn't really mean much. But why would a person with qualifying skills, experience, and a bunch of other stuff to offer; why should they choose you?

At some point, I think an interview is actually two interviews, the employer and person applying. I passed on two jobs because I did not like the place/what I heard during the interview. I mean, if i was desperate, that's be different, but I wasn't at the time.

Yes. For an entry level job the honest answer is "because you said you were hiring". But for someone with 30 years experience I think they want to hear that you put some thought into where you want to work and plan a sticking around a while.

 

I also passed on a couple jobs in my most recent job search. My reputation is important to me, it seemed they wanted someone to rubber stamp anything they did. I'm not interested.

The auto manufacturing industry, in engineering, is a fairly small world. I often run into people I've known in previous lives, theirs or mine. At the very least, I want them to say that I have integrity.

Small, and getting smaller all the time it seems like. I agree, everyone knows everyone (one way or another it seems) so maintaining a good reputation is key. :thumb:

 

Small, and getting smaller all the time it seems like. I agree, everyone knows everyone (one way or another it seems) so maintaining a good reputation is key. :thumb:

I disagree, IMO its huge. No matter what type of engineer you are (entry level, mechanical, manufacturing, electrical, manager, etc..) there are jobs all over the place, at least here on the west side of the state that are tied to the auto manufacturing industry.

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I disagree, IMO its huge. No matter what type of engineer you are (entry level, mechanical, manufacturing, electrical, manager, etc..) there are jobs all over the place, at least here on the west side of the state that are tied to the auto manufacturing industry.

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Well on the tool build side of the industry over here on the east side, everyone seems to know everyone. We've all been around for ever and worked at several places over the years, so it seems small to me. It did shrink after the 2008-2009 collapse when a lot of jobs were lost. It might be rising again, but with GMs announcement to layoff thousands, it sure doesn't feel like it.

 

Well on the tool build side of the industry over here on the east side, everyone seems to know everyone. We've all been around for ever and worked at several places over the years, so it seems small to me. It did shrink after the 2008-2009 collapse when a lot of jobs were lost. It might be rising again, but with GMs announcement to layoff thousands, it sure doesn't feel like it.

Yea I wasnt really thinking about the GM layoffs haha, I get daily emails of new job postings from indeed and that's what I based my reply from. Seems like every day there is 3-5 new engineering job postings somehow related to the automotive industry.

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Well on the tool build side of the industry over here on the east side, everyone seems to know everyone. We've all been around for ever and worked at several places over the years, so it seems small to me. It did shrink after the 2008-2009 collapse when a lot of jobs were lost. It might be rising again, but with GMs announcement to layoff thousands, it sure doesn't feel like it.

Working in tooling for the last few years I'd agree with this. Its not automotive, its Dart Container, but still. Everyone knows everyone in the tooling business it seems.

 

Well, went to the interview, I feel it went well. They aren't doing anything I haven't run into in some way before, there are a few openings that I would qualify for.

If I were to go with a union position, I stand a better chance of being on day shift. There is also a salary position that I qualify for, it would be what they call an 'off shift' that is basically 5pm to 7am, but more money and better benefits. Downside is it is unlikely to become a dayshift position.

They have about two weeks to continue interviews and make a decision. I have a bunch of paperwork they want me to fill out (hard copy of application, 'self-identity' paperwork, essentially a background check is what it looks like)

All together, there were 6 people involved in the interview. Took about an hour.

 

Well, went to the interview, I feel it went well. They aren't doing anything I haven't run into in some way before, there are a few openings that I would qualify for.

If I were to go with a union position, I stand a better chance of being on day shift. There is also a salary position that I qualify for, it would be what they call an 'off shift' that is basically 5pm to 7am, but more money and better benefits. Downside is it is unlikely to become a dayshift position.

They have about two weeks to continue interviews and make a decision. I have a bunch of paperwork they want me to fill out (hard copy of application, 'self-identity' paperwork, essentially a background check is what it looks like)

All together, there were 6 people involved in the interview. Took about an hour.

:thumb: Excellent. I am glad to hear it went well.

 

I learned very recently that If you get a job offer from another employer to just make a decision and stay or put in your two weeks. Dont go to your currently employer with the offer you got because they will do what they can to tank your offer. Life lesson learned.

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I learned very recently that If you get a job offer from another employer to just make a decision and stay or put in your two weeks. Dont go to your currently employer with the offer you got because they will do what they can to tank your offer. Life lesson learned.

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Say what? You should never let your current employer know who is extending an offer to you. And, if you're that unhappy where you're at, you leave, you don't drag another company into the mix just to get your current employer to give you a dollar or 2 raise.... Just my .02

 

Fortunately, my employer made the decision to leave for me, LOL

 

Fortunately, my employer made the decision to leave for me, LOL

Look at it as their loss. Time to move on for better things.

 

I just got an email from mueller brass, they are going to have me come back in early next week for a plant tour and to discuss 'the possible positions available with my wide range of experience'. I was told at the interview they had 2 weeks of interviews scheduled.... having been on the hiring side I'm pretty sure this translates into "we better get this guy before someone else does"

 

I just got an email from mueller brass, they are going to have me come back in early next week for a plant tour and to discuss 'the possible positions available with my wide range of experience'. I was told at the interview they had 2 weeks of interviews scheduled.... having been on the hiring side I'm pretty sure this translates into "we better get this guy before someone else does"

:thumb: What great news! New house out of the shithole, new job near home, excellent! I hope all goes well.

 

I just got an email from mueller brass, they are going to have me come back in early next week for a plant tour and to discuss 'the possible positions available with my wide range of experience'. I was told at the interview they had 2 weeks of interviews scheduled.... having been on the hiring side I'm pretty sure this translates into "we better get this guy before someone else does"

Great job :woot::rock:

 

I just got an email from mueller brass, they are going to have me come back in early next week for a plant tour and to discuss 'the possible positions available with my wide range of experience'. I was told at the interview they had 2 weeks of interviews scheduled.... having been on the hiring side I'm pretty sure this translates into "we better get this guy before someone else does"

Great to hear! I agree, sounds like they want you. This gives you some negotiating power, use it to your advantage.

 

I have a bunch of paperwork they want me to fill out (hard copy of application, 'self-identity' paperwork, essentially a background check is what it looks like)

I just got an email from mueller brass, they are going to have me come back in early next week for a plant tour and to discuss 'the possible positions available with my wide range of experience'. I was told at the interview they had 2 weeks of interviews scheduled.... having been on the hiring side I'm pretty sure this translates into "we better get this guy before someone else does"

I was going to say typically when they have you fill out the paperwork, it normally means they want you. I don't think I have ever had to fill out the paperwork until after I have received a verbal offer.

 

I disagree, IMO its huge. No matter what type of engineer you are (entry level, mechanical, manufacturing, electrical, manager, etc..) there are jobs all over the place, at least here on the west side of the state that are tied to the auto manufacturing industry.

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There's plenty of opportunity, but everyone knows everyone. Everyone is building things for everyone, everyone is using everyones services.

The day I did a plant tour for my current position they also had Nissan in the building because they are courting new business with them. The engineer for Nissan, used to work at a place that builds gage's, that my old company used to use. We stopped and chatted, he commented to his tour guide positively about me afterwards. I've no doubt it made a difference.

There are people out there who will rubberstamp anything, take shortcuts, half ass things, and I know who they are. There are also people who are unreasonably rigid, follow the letter of the law regardless, and are generally a PITA to deal with, and I know who they are also.

So I want to be known as a reasonable, fair, but honest person in my industry. I flat out walked from a position at Metal Flow in Holland because I knew their Business Unit Manager was a shyster and I'm not interested in working with him.

I just got an email from mueller brass, they are going to have me come back in early next week for a plant tour and to discuss 'the possible positions available with my wide range of experience'. I was told at the interview they had 2 weeks of interviews scheduled.... having been on the hiring side I'm pretty sure this translates into "we better get this guy before someone else does"

That's great news, congratulations! It could be they have a different position in mind for you than you applied for as well.