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Thin Line Offroad
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Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
Between my girlfriend and I we have six kids, and for the last couple of months I've been trying to figure out a way to bring them all on the trail with us. I wanted as small as possible, but roomy enough to seat eight with protection from the elements. I'm quite aware this is a lot to ask. Most American third row seat SUV's are just too big. FSJ Cherokees and Waggys are great, but the slight slope of the rear of the roof and angle of the tailgate make a third row very tight. The "right" rig just seemed to be an impossible find, until I was driving back from a buddies place the other day and saw this parked by the road for sale. I immediately knew it was perfect! Narrower than a Grand Wagoneer, but with a tall enough roof for decent third row seating it was perfect!




It is a 1984 FJ60 Land Cruiser. Already fairly rare to see in Michigan, this one is also a factory manual transmission! Some poking around online found it for sale on this site only a few years ago:


1984 Toyota FJ60 Land Cruiser for Sale - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest

Since then it has seen few miles, but hard ones, Nearly every panel has a dent, but overall it is fairly solid in the important parts. It sports an Old Man Emu 4 inch lift and a Weber carb conversion with a header on the factory 2F engine.



The interior is near mint, and vintage!



I drove it home for $775, and it was running rough, leaking fuel from somewhere in the front. A quick look proved it to be nothing more than a disconnected fuel return line.
 

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Thin Line Offroad
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Landcruisers are totally new territory to me, but I've been researching and getting a crash course in them. The axles are huge for a Toyota, and the largest they ever used with a 9.5 inch ring gear and 30 spline shafts. They are comparable in strength to a Dana 60 in the rear, and kind of between a 44 and 60 in the front. Both axles are offset to the passenger side.

Pros of this rig in stock form:

Strong axles, big brakes, factory cross over steering. Parts still widely available and reasonably priced.

Cons:

Poor departure angle, front Birfield joints are so-so, no cheap overdrive tranny option.

So, I am currently weighing my options. Idea one is to re-gear the axles to 5.29 (lowest available) and lock front and rear. Put on a set of 35's and rock it.

Idea two is to build a low pinion 60 and 70 I have, and I also have 7.17 gears for them. If I did that I think I would look at pushing the rear axle back a bit for departure angle. I have a set of 38's I'd run at that point.

This rig is going to be 95% trail and only 5% street. So what are your thoughts?
 

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Home Sweet Homicide
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Nice! IH8MUD should be your new favorite forum. Those things are built like tanks.
 

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Flex Is OverRated
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1 tons for sure. As a guy who built Toyota axles then went 1 tons i can tell you first hand that Toyota axles are a waste of time on anything bigger than a Samurai.

It also needs a 4bt:thumb:
 

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Ridge Runners Offroad
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I had an 87 FJ60 with the 2F. The departure angle will kill you if you run anything challenging. The 4bt and the one tons would be the way to go. I want another one and regret selling my old one. the factory A/C still worked on mine!!!
 

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Thin Line Offroad
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Looks like I'm going one ton. You guys haven't convinced me on the 4bt yet though.

Tell me the disadvantages of the 2F
 

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Thin Line Offroad
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Plus a 4bt and 7.17s are not a great combo, I'd have to source less deep gears for sure.
 

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Flex Is OverRated
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By the time you put 8 people and all their shit in it the stock motor will not be happy about moving it, even with 7:17 gears....hence the 4bt suggestion
 
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