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First this... the issue will not be as black and white as some might try to make it. Neither pure capitalism nor pure socialism can exist. Pure capitalism would mean that everything, including military and police would privatized and run by for profit companies, and would only be available to those that paid for it. Also, they would not be able to prevent people from deciding to form collectives to pool resources. Of course I don't have to tell you what happens when they try to impose pure socialism.

So the choice isn't "should we be capitalist or socialist" It's "how capitalist or socialist should we be".
 

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Second, that article is a bunch of extreme rightist gibberish trying to scare people.
 

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Second, that article is a bunch of extreme rightist gibberish trying to scare people.
What the new democrats are trying to change the democrat party into should scare you more.
Did you catch the Wells Fargo part? AOC questioned one of the guys from that company and was trying to make a point about if they(the lending company) should be responsible for what a company does when the said company spills something or causes an environmental disaster to that affect would make Wells Fargo responsible.
In other words the government telling the company what they should do to lenders.
Attempting to tell private companies how to do things. Sounds like the liberal way to a new blend of socialism.
AOC is a puppet. She is being feed things to say and on how to push the democrat party in a new direction. A scary direction if you ask me.
 

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I've said this for a while... They're going way too far left.
The farther they go to the left the greater the chances Trump will have a second term. What do the left have to run on? I see what they are pushing and who's pushing what but nothing can compete with what Trump has been doing for the American people.
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The farther they go to the left the greater the chances Trump will have a second term. What do the left have to run on? I see what they are pushing and who's pushing what but nothing can compete with what Trump has been doing for the American people.
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That scares me.
 

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That scares me.
Really?
I believe you are more scared of what conservatism stands for than Trump.
Are you scared of all the jobs coming back or the strong markets?

You should be more concerned about the fact that the dems have now blocked a bill to protect babies from being slaughtered 7 times and every one of the liberal presidential candidates support infanticide. That should scare the hell out of you.
Trump also has pretty much wiped out ISIS. Something Obama didn't care to do.
You may not like the man himself but the policies he is bringing up are helping in so many ways.
He was not my first choice but he is doing what he said he would do.
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Really?
I believe you are more scared of what conservatism stands for than Trump.
Are you scared of all the jobs coming back or the strong markets?

You should be more concerned about the fact that the dems have now blocked a bill to protect babies from being slaughtered 7 times and every one of the liberal presidential candidates support infanticide. That should scare the hell out of you.
Trump also has pretty much wiped out ISIS. Something Obama didn't care to do.
You may not like the man himself but the policies he is bringing up are helping in so many ways.
He was not my first choice but he is doing what he said he would do.
#MAGA
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I don't even know what conservatives stand for any more.

I thought they stood for Christian values, but they support a man that cheated on all of his ex-wives with his next, and cheated on his current wife with a porn star. And then tried paying her off to keep quiet about it.

I thought they stood for the Constitution, but now they support declaring an emergency to get around the spending rules.

I thought they stood for fiscal responsibility, but instead they stand for ill advised unnecessary tax cuts that only succeeded in sending the bill for what we're doing now to our children and grandchildren. And now they propose a budget that cuts everything that helps the average people and adds more to our already over bloated military.

I thought they were for keeping the government out of our personal lives, but now they want the police in the delivery room.

Dems don't support infanticide, but they also don't support laws allowing anyone to second guess decisions made between a doctor and patients and patients parents.



So just what do conservatives stand for?



I'm not scared of jobs coming back. I'm scared that over the past few months my group has seen several projects scaled back, postponed, or canceled. We barely have enough work to keep everyone busy.

I'm not scared of strong markets, I'm scared of unstable markets that have not shown sustained growth in over a year.

And it's absurd to claim that 'Obama didn't care to" wipe out ISIS. Took a more cautious approach for fear of killing civilians and turning more of them against us, but that doesn't mean he didn't care to wipe them out.

In many ways he is doing what he said he would, I do not support many of those things. I don't think they are helping anyone but himself and those like him.
 

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I don't even know what conservatives stand for any more.

I thought they stood for Christian values, but they support a man that cheated on all of his ex-wives with his next, and cheated on his current wife with a porn star. And then tried paying her off to keep quiet about it.

I thought they stood for the Constitution, but now they support declaring an emergency to get around the spending rules.

I thought they stood for fiscal responsibility, but instead they stand for ill advised unnecessary tax cuts that only succeeded in sending the bill for what we're doing now to our children and grandchildren. And now they propose a budget that cuts everything that helps the average people and adds more to our already over bloated military.

I thought they were for keeping the government out of our personal lives, but now they want the police in the delivery room.

Dems don't support infanticide, but they also don't support laws allowing anyone to second guess decisions made between a doctor and patients and patients parents.



So just what do conservatives stand for?



I'm not scared of jobs coming back. I'm scared that over the past few months my group has seen several projects scaled back, postponed, or canceled. We barely have enough work to keep everyone busy.

I'm not scared of strong markets, I'm scared of unstable markets that have not shown sustained growth in over a year.

And it's absurd to claim that 'Obama didn't care to" wipe out ISIS. Took a more cautious approach for fear of killing civilians and turning more of them against us, but that doesn't mean he didn't care to wipe them out.

In many ways he is doing what he said he would, I do not support many of those things. I don't think they are helping anyone but himself and those like him.


Very well said and I agree 100% Everyone who supports trump thinks he magically made the economy better and created more jobs on day one but the fact is he benefited greatly from Obama’s rebuilding from the bush crash but republicans won’t agree with that


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I don't even know what conservatives stand for any more.

I thought they stood for Christian values, but they support a man that cheated on all of his ex-wives with his next, and cheated on his current wife with a porn star. And then tried paying her off to keep quiet about it.

Forgiveness is one of those values. What is in his heart is between him and God. Donald Trump embraced the Evangelical Christian Community instead of the liberal left in this country. He used to be a liberal and saw something in conservatism that he wanted to be a part of, who knows maybe it was our love for country that drew him to us.

I thought they stood for the Constitution, but now they support declaring an emergency to get around the spending rules.

Actually congress enacted the emergency act in 76 (I think) giving the president the authority to declare an emergency at his own discretion. Other presidents have without congress getting their panties in a bunch. One of his jobs are to protect the American people and that is what he is trying to do. Illegals kill 2000+ Americans a year. That's a good reason to stop the flow of illegal entry.

I thought they stood for fiscal responsibility, but instead they stand for ill advised unnecessary tax cuts that only succeeded in sending the bill for what we're doing now to our children and grandchildren. And now they propose a budget that cuts everything that helps the average people and adds more to our already over bloated military.

So you are opposed to tax cuts? Do your part and give more, nobody is stopping you from giving more. The government has a poor track record of overspending. I would rather keep more of my own money that pay higher taxes to the government. Look at Canada and their taxing of its people. That just might change your mind. Strong military is a good thing not a bad thing. I don't know or want to learn Chinese.


I thought they were for keeping the government out of our personal lives, but now they want the police in the delivery room.

Dems don't support infanticide, but they also don't support laws allowing anyone to second guess decisions made between a doctor and patients and patients parents.

You say dems don't support infanticide? Then why do they block the bill in congress, many times already? There is no reason to kill babies, none whats so ever.
If you support the democratic party you are in favor of murdering the unborn and now the ones that survive an abortion are allowed to be killed also. You have blood on your hands as much as congress who passes the law.
There is a bill that has passed in a few states which is called the heartbeat bill and the dems don't like it. I wonder why?


So just what do conservatives stand for?

Smaller government, lower taxes, strong military. Lift people out of poverty and get them jobs instead of giving them welfare and food stamps, which millions are off of because they now have jobs to care for themselves and
to protect the unborn.



I'm not scared of jobs coming back. I'm scared that over the past few months my group has seen several projects scaled back, postponed, or canceled. We barely have enough work to keep everyone busy.

This just might be your opportunity to retire and enjoy your old age. Get out there and have fun.

I'm not scared of strong markets, I'm scared of unstable markets that have not shown sustained growth in over a year.

Just wait for it. America is firing on all 8 cyl.

And it's absurd to claim that 'Obama didn't care to" wipe out ISIS. Took a more cautious approach for fear of killing civilians and turning more of them against us, but that doesn't mean he didn't care to wipe them out.

Ya Obama just waiting for isis to kill the civilians which they did by the thousands. Women and children used as human shields.
In many ways he is doing what he said he would, I do not support many of those things. I don't think they are helping anyone but himself and those like him.

If you don't like a conservative America then wait for the next election or three.
Or visit a country that is socially liberal and stay awhile.

#MAGA:usa:

PS. take zjman with ya. You guys are like two peas in a pod.
 

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Big ol flip flopper, had to sell his soul to the right to be elected, and in your perfect maga America aber is really no better than a dictatorship ran country. Google checks and balances


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Big ol flip flopper, had to sell his soul to the right to be elected, and in your perfect maga America aber is really no better than a dictatorship ran country. Google checks and balances
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE


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He USED to think it was a choice to kill your own baby and now he thinks its immoral to kill your own baby. I think he made a choice to NOT support the killing of babies.
You need to read up on what a dictator really is because Trump is not a dictator. As much as the media is trying to convince you of that.
 

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I think I'd want to see some sign of repentance before offering forgiveness. Remember that the hush money was paid less than a month before the election.

The intent of giving the president emergency powers was so he could take action quickly, not so he could do what congress refused to do. He is the first president use it that way.

I'm in favor of paying our own way, not cutting taxes and sending the bill to the next several generations. A strong military is a good thing. A bankrupt country is not.

I already answered your question about infanticide.

So I was wrong about conservatives supporting fiscal responsibility? Supporting the constitution? Keeping government out of our person lives?

I'm still 12 years out from qualifying for medicare, but maybe I could if we had universal heath care.:poke:

I think the engine is starting to sputter.

You're still making the same absurd claim about Obama.


If you don't like a conservative America then wait for the next election or three.
Or visit a country that is socially liberal and stay awhile.

#MAGA:usa:

PS. take zjman with ya. You guys are like two peas in a pod.
I'm not opposed to every conservatives stand for, nor do I support every liberal stance. I just am not seeing how things are so much better under Trump, and I think he's pulled off a huge con job on the religious right.

And yes, I'd love to go to one of those socially liberal Scandinavian countries and stay a while. And if zjman wants to come along that'd be great, he sounds like a reasonable person to me.
 

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First this... the issue will not be as black and white as some might try to make it. Neither pure capitalism nor pure socialism can exist. Pure capitalism would mean that everything, including military and police would privatized and run by for profit companies, and would only be available to those that paid for it. Also, they would not be able to prevent people from deciding to form collectives to pool resources. Of course I don't have to tell you what happens when they try to impose pure socialism.

So the choice isn't "should we be capitalist or socialist" It's "how capitalist or socialist should we be".
I don't believe it would only be available to those who paid... I'm pretty sure people would donate, non profits would pop up, etc.

Poor people would not get the same protection, but that's true now anyway.
 

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He USED to think it was a choice to kill your own baby and now he thinks its immoral to kill your own baby. I think he made a choice to NOT support the killing of babies.
You need to read up on what a dictator really is because Trump is not a dictator. As much as the media is trying to convince you of that.
Trump is a jackass in the same way that Obama was a good president.

Obama genuinely seemed like he was a good guy; he seemed concerned about people liking him, and adjusted his policies accordingly. He wanted the whole country to agree with him, and acted as such. He was very well spoken, and had pretty much a scandal free tenure. All the right-wing BS about him being a terrorist or whatever it was was just that, BS. I don't believe a minute of it. He was a well spoken, decent human that had a good family. So, because of that, people think he was a great president. Which I don't agree with. I think he was a shit president that passed more policies that ended up hurting the country than helping.

Now, take Trump. He gives zero shits if the whole country likes him, he only cares about a few people liking him. And those few people happen to be the giant group of people that feel they have been pushed over and trotted on the past 30 years. Trump is appealing to the group of people that still think the "good ol days" can come back again. He speaks without thinking, and he speaks directly to the people, not filtered. So, just like the dems/liberals did with Obama; Trump is being judged by how he speaks and comes off. Regardless of what he's actually doing. Because of how he speaks, he must be a racist, sexist, POS. I don't believe that for a minute. I will never be a Trump Supporter, but calling him a sexist or racist is just nonsense. Hate the guy for something that's actually right. Like his idiocy for anything scientific.
 

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Trump is a jackass in the same way that Obama was a good president.

Obama genuinely seemed like he was a good guy; he seemed concerned about people liking him, and adjusted his policies accordingly. He wanted the whole country to agree with him, and acted as such. He was very well spoken, and had pretty much a scandal free tenure. All the right-wing BS about him being a terrorist or whatever it was was just that, BS. I don't believe a minute of it. He was a well spoken, decent human that had a good family. So, because of that, people think he was a great president. Which I don't agree with. I think he was a shit president that passed more policies that ended up hurting the country than helping.

Now, take Trump. He gives zero shits if the whole country likes him, he only cares about a few people liking him. And those few people happen to be the giant group of people that feel they have been pushed over and trotted on the past 30 years. Trump is appealing to the group of people that still think the "good ol days" can come back again. He speaks without thinking, and he speaks directly to the people, not filtered. So, just like the dems/liberals did with Obama; Trump is being judged by how he speaks and comes off. Regardless of what he's actually doing. Because of how he speaks, he must be a racist, sexist, POS. I don't believe that for a minute. I will never be a Trump Supporter, but calling him a sexist or racist is just nonsense. Hate the guy for something that's actually right. Like his idiocy for anything scientific.

You've really articulated what I've been thinking lol. Obama was charismatic, Trump is not, it really shifts perception.

However, the hardcore Trump trainers wouldn't care if he drop kicked five babies off Trump Tower, which kind of blows my mind :poke:
 

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Trump is a jackass in the same way that Obama was a good president.

Obama genuinely seemed like he was a good guy; he seemed concerned about people liking him, and adjusted his policies accordingly. He wanted the whole country to agree with him, and acted as such. He was very well spoken, and had pretty much a scandal free tenure. All the right-wing BS about him being a terrorist or whatever it was was just that, BS. I don't believe a minute of it. He was a well spoken, decent human that had a good family. So, because of that, people think he was a great president. Which I don't agree with. I think he was a shit president that passed more policies that ended up hurting the country than helping.

Now, take Trump. He gives zero shits if the whole country likes him, he only cares about a few people liking him. And those few people happen to be the giant group of people that feel they have been pushed over and trotted on the past 30 years. Trump is appealing to the group of people that still think the "good ol days" can come back again. He speaks without thinking, and he speaks directly to the people, not filtered. So, just like the dems/liberals did with Obama; Trump is being judged by how he speaks and comes off. Regardless of what he's actually doing. Because of how he speaks, he must be a racist, sexist, POS. I don't believe that for a minute. I will never be a Trump Supporter, but calling him a sexist or racist is just nonsense. Hate the guy for something that's actually right. Like his idiocy for anything scientific.
I'll just leave this here and be back later.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017/01/02/18-major-scandals-obama-presidency/
 
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