Last I checked, petroleum was a solvent, and the virus is killed by dissolving the lipid layer, which is why we wash our hands.She seems fixated on gas pumps which is one of the easiest things to protect from. But wait.......... you can still ride an ORV. Go figure.
there's gas on everything there, not that it's doused in it, but still has gas particles all over the area; i'm not any more afraid of getting the virus from a gas pump handle than I am from opening my car door.You wash the gas handle with gas? I don't understand what you're getting at here?
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well that escalated quickly :sonicjay:But would you let a hooker spit in your mouth? There's gotta be a line here, just trying to figure out where it's at.
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My point is, if you're saying that CV-19 deaths are listed as, say 300 today, but really it's only 50, and the others were from weeks ago, then that could put a huge change on policies, same with listed CV cases; how does that mean that CV-19 cases aren't skewed the same way; thought I don't see is it being possible for that to be the case for thousands, but maybe some.Right, your last statement makes all the difference. I have no doubt there are some deaths listed as Covid-caused that aren't entirely accurate. But I don't think it's enough to be statistically relevant or change any of the information about where we stand.
A fatal heart attack of a person who wouldn't be in the hospital dying of a heart attack if their body weren't fighting a deadly virus is still directly related to the virus. It's not like the person was already in the hospital dying of a heart attack but they coughed, so they changed the cause to covid. It's just people grasping at straws so they can have someone/something to blame. It's a coping mechanism.
Exactly. There's people that say it's our governor; I don't have a lot of problems with what she's been doing policy wise, other than it sucks. Other people would say X republican.Whos political career?
I agree with this, a lot. The food demand, if not at least least going up, then it is staying the same; people are still buying food and lots of it. If the demand was down then shelves wouldn't be empty, milk wouldn't be down to a bare minimum in the fridges.This stuff worries me as well.... I understand sending a few to slaughter for the quick buck to stay in business. It's also about $6 a day to feed a dry cow. I also understand capacity issues, this shit is nuts though to me. When we try to recover the now limited supply is going to send prices through the roof. This is from a random FB post:
"A large factory farm is much easier to control, and when they control the food supply they control the people. Something just doesn't add up".
Well put, I can't really argue with any of thatI don't think either of those arguments hold any water.
Regarding deaths and the day: First off, death rate doesn't really matter to the policy changes as much as infection. It's just a statistic. Policies seem to be primarily based around new infection rates and everyone's favorite buzzwords: flattening the curve. That tells us how we're doing with controlling the spread, which in turn will affect death rates. Death rate is a secondary issue. And since extreme cases requiring a ventilator typically drag out, it's not going to follow the same trend in the same timeframe. IIRC a dying patient is often on a ventilator for 7-14 days. So they're likely dying 14-21 days or more after onset of symptoms and a positive diagnoses. This statistic is going to follow behind case count. And as a whole, I'd say the statistical trend is still valid, it's not going to be be wrong by 600%, that's just silly. Any one day isn't really that telling, we need to look at statistical trends. The same errors stretched over multiple days or weeks will still show what we need them to, whereas a single day could skew things much more.
Regarding politics: This isn't a local or a national issue. It's worldwide. Everyone is battling this, people are dying from it everywhere, and social isolation and more are the standard because we have no other tools at our disposal as a species. Yes there are variables in how different countries deal with it, some based on government and societal differences. But it's everywhere. There are political games and you can bet your asss both sides will take advantage of what they can, just like they always have and always will. Never let a crisis go to waste, right? Yes, careers will be propped up by this. The fearmongering media will also maximize the fear because fear=ratings. The media and government will milk this for everything it's worth, guaranteed. But this is still a worldwide pandemic and those details are negligible in the big picture, just like the small minority of falsely reported deaths. People are obsessed with grasping onto every statistical inaccuracy or questionable tactic as if it gives them some sort of control or leg up on the situation. It's good to be informed, it's good to be skeptical, but all of these things are still just a drop in the bucket in the big picture scenario.
Because, statistically, minorities live in more open cultural communities that thrive on face to face contacts, and have a long history of not listening to "the man", and are less likely to go to hospitals for care or follow stay-at home orders?I'll be labelled racist for this in many places... but THIS is why the minorities are dying more.
https://www.facebook.com/100006253064892/videos/2558093967742347/
Yep, that I can definitely see.I think a lot of them, like our Governor, are doing things so that when it's over they can take credit for it being over.
I've never been accused of thinking too hard :sonicjay:You are thinking too hard.
Do I think politicians are spinning this to boost their cause/ popularity/ agenda? Yes
Do I think there is a master plan to do things like you suggest above? No.
shit man, condolences for your loss.it got my mom.
Doesn't matter what the governor says, IMO she cannot take away a constitutional right to assemble, no matter what "emergency" power she has. Doesn't mean that people SHOULD be doing it, but for her, or anyone to say they can temporarily suspend it, and have the authority to do so, is ludicrous to me.Alright now that's just fukked up. I don't necessarily agree with the people protesting, but from what I've seen they were being reasonable and responsible about this. They were exercising their right to peacefully protest, and doing it in such a way to practice social distancing. I get the argument against non-essential travel and the safety aspect of purposeful gridlock, but the authorities blocking exits is a very poor choice IMO. Just fanning of the flames with little to no benefit. Pretty stupid.
About the detroit area? No, that whole shit hole caused their own problems and was long since a tumor on this state before the virus hit. Of course Detroit has the highest number of cases. IT has the single most international traffic in the state, with some of the shittiest communities. They also have a high number of poorer communities, populated by people that don't follow anything the government tells them to do, let along a social distancing orderSo Michigan has the 3rd highest confirmed covid19 cases in the country and most of yas are bitching the government has gone too far. Hmmmmm. If the government didn’t do enough and you guys were number 1 would yas still be bitching ? Or if one of your loved ones who were healthy got it and died would yas be bitching ? Guess since it hit the Detroit area the hardest most of yas don’t care
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I'd really like to physically assault tucker. I loath every time that guy speaks. It's not even a political thing, I just hate everything about him, personally; like how every time he talks it sounds like he has a mouthful of gauze, and I imagine that he has a huge drooling problem.
He's not different, that's his problem. Politically, he's just another toolbag; the exact same as that dochnozzle from CNN. He doesn't bring up any arguments that haven't already been brought up on better shows, like Hannity.Tucker is a different kind of guy, that's for sure. His approach s not what we have become accustomed to for a opinion host.
He does ask the hard questions and brings up great arguments. He did hit whitmer right between the eyes with his piece on her and called her out for being somewhat of a over reaching nazi with her tactics.
Myself I kinda like him. He does act like a little kid at times with how he laughs at some of his guests.
Yea, got that, but really, even that shit was something that wasn't directly caused by the governor. Detroit is a POS because of everyone there, flint water because it's flint...etc. Maybe i'm stretching here, but I see it as there's no reason why Michigan should be in the national news for our governor being a blowhard.Except for Detroit culture, pro team sports bloopers, Flint water, fluctuations in the auto industry, Great Lakes water rights, Betsy DeVos. . . not nearly in the news as much as, say, Nebraska. :finger:
I personally think May 1 is too early. There's still a fuck load of new cases a day...that's a day. even if it's only 500 new cases a day until may 1, that's what....6,000 new cases? 20% more.Last few days growth has been under 750 new cases a day in Michigan. Not sure if thus is delayed impact off Easter or if it is truly dropping.
What's the thought on if everything starts opening May 1?
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Agreed 100% with this. It would not be that difficult for gas stations to provide gloves, as many already do for diesel fuel. The gas pump argument didn't make sense to me from the beginning.Many of Whitmer's most overreaching policies seems to come from her fear of gas pumps, which was apparently driven by some anecdote about someone she knew or heard of that went up north to their cabin and got the virus and blamed it on a gas stop along the way. Even if gas pump nozzle handles prove to be a major source of infection, it would seen to me that the risk could be mitigated with the proper use of disposable glove and sanitizers. If whitmer really feels the need to "do something" that she can take credit for she could mandate that gas stations supply gloves and sanitizer. Then relax the regulations on non essential travel and other things that might make people want to buy gas.
As sad as it is, there's huge money for someone to make off the whole situation, and sure as a bear shits in the woods; they're going to make itThe problem though with this, is there is money in it for them, and it's a field that is not inundated with cash often. People often think of researchers as a whole as being somewhat altruistic and not corrupt-able. I've seen first hand researchers that don't speak up on certain issues because it is better for their career long term not to. If one speaks up, then they aren't sent the cash anymore. They are out to make a living as much as anyone else and will ride that money train as long as they can.
The number of new cases is down, the number of deaths is down....but there's still hundreds of new cases and hundreds of death everday...so how does that mean "open it up"?Look at the link I’ve posted above a couple times. It updates daily at 3:00. Number of daily new cases are coming down. Number of daily new deaths are coming down. This shows we are (hopefully) past the peak of the curve. So yes, the numbers are coming down.
I can't really comment on the money issue, my wife and I have been very lucky in that regard. The unemployment issue was always going to be a problem (not that makes it all better), hundreds of thousands of people all applying at the same time????I still think the 'solution' may kill as many as the virus. I've had friends turned down 4x for unemployment, if they could even get it. I have friends that have built businesses for 25-50 years that are in danger of never opening again, and lost retirements.
A friend posted what their mortgage company offered for forbearance. yeah, no payments for 4 months, the full back amount due the 5th month ($6k+ after having no job?) lots of houses and businesses and lives ruined. I do not trust our government to help, besides with what money?
I think a number less than the flu would be more reasonable to use; it doesn't change anything about how much more contagious this is than anything else. -as I typed that, I just heard about the testing in CA about many many more people have had covid-19 and recovered than thought-So what is the number that is "safe"? Zero, 50, 100? Pick your number. The reasoning has been that this is far worse than influenza. Now it's looking to be about on par. So if this drops below the influenza numbers, is that good enough? Or then is it time to go on lock down for influenza?
All you guys saying we need to stay on lock down - Pick a number that you are willing to attach your name to.
To this above,
Want to talk about deaths at a horrible rate? In the USA, there are more than 1,000 abortions EVERY FUCKING DAY, 365 days a year.
There are 3,000 deaths per month by car accidents.
What about smoking? Close to 500,000 deaths per year and 40,000 deaths from SECOND HAND SMOKE.
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm
All of the above are preventable.
Society has proven to have "acceptable" levels of preventable deaths. The list goes on and on.
So what is "good enough"?
