Because it gives a reason for people to go to the store solely to buy unessential items. Do you really need window shades? Do you really need to paint your bedroom? The idea of staying open is to be able to fix your leaky toilet or broken window.
coronavirus, we're all gonna die..
Let's hear what the smartest group of people on earth think about it....
Are we doomed?:beer::beerbang::whiz:
PS Wash ur damn hands...
Are we doomed?:beer::beerbang::whiz:
PS Wash ur damn hands...
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Bingo. I agree with the logic had they done it from the get-go, but the fact that the numbers of new cases per day are on the downturn after 3 weeks without those add-ons means it's unnecessary at this point in time. It would have helped early, but kind of pointless now. It's impossible that we're going to eradicate this thing completely, so the idea of backing off to more common sense and regional measures and restrictions is going to have to become a reality sooner than later. This was a step in the opposite direction.Because it gives a reason for people to go to the store solely to buy unessential items. Do you really need window shades? Do you really need to paint your bedroom? The idea of staying open is to be able to fix your leaky toilet or broken window.
Idle minds are a dangerous thing. Take away peoples ability to distract themselves and it gets even worse. It won't be the virus at that point that kills people.Because it gives a reason for people to go to the store solely to buy unessential items. Do you really need window shades? Do you really need to paint your bedroom? The idea of staying open is to be able to fix your leaky toilet or broken window.
Good luck to the NMI business owners who were hoping/relying/anticipating for a revenue injection from visitors opening their cottages.
We were talking about the sales limitation in a call this morning because both my boss and I needed a few random things. He stopped at a local Ace Hardware a little while ago and they were still selling all available stock. According to them, if under 50k sq ft and still legal to be open(like a local hardware store), they can sell anything they normally would, just limited number of people allowed in the store at once. It's more to regulate the big box stores apparently. Not sure what the square footage of somewhere like TSC is, so they may be over the cutoff.
I fact checked it and turns out that it's true. Page 9 of the order found here:
https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MIEOG/2020/04/09/file_attachments/1423850/EO 2020-42.pdf
"For stores of less than 50,000 square feet of customer floor space, limit the
number of people in the store (including employees) to 25% of the total
occupancy limits established by the State Fire Marshal or a local fire
marshal.
For stores of more than 50,000 square feet:
(1) Limit the number of customers in the store at one time (excluding
employees) to 4 people per 1,000 square feet of customer floor space.
The amount of customer floor space must be calculated to exclude
store areas that are closed under subprovision (2) of this subsection.
(2) Close areas of the store—by cordoning them off, placing signs in aisles,
posting prominent signs, removing goods from shelves, or other
appropriate means—that are dedicated to the following classes of
goods:
(A) Carpet or flooring.
(B) Furniture.
(C) Garden centers and plant nurseries.
(D) Paint."
I fact checked it and turns out that it's true. Page 9 of the order found here:
https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MIEOG/2020/04/09/file_attachments/1423850/EO 2020-42.pdf
"For stores of less than 50,000 square feet of customer floor space, limit the
number of people in the store (including employees) to 25% of the total
occupancy limits established by the State Fire Marshal or a local fire
marshal.
For stores of more than 50,000 square feet:
(1) Limit the number of customers in the store at one time (excluding
employees) to 4 people per 1,000 square feet of customer floor space.
The amount of customer floor space must be calculated to exclude
store areas that are closed under subprovision (2) of this subsection.
(2) Close areas of the store—by cordoning them off, placing signs in aisles,
posting prominent signs, removing goods from shelves, or other
appropriate means—that are dedicated to the following classes of
goods:
(A) Carpet or flooring.
(B) Furniture.
(C) Garden centers and plant nurseries.
(D) Paint."
what the fawk is the purpose of forcing buisnesses to not sell "non essential" items" when that store has both?
What in the actual fuck is going right now.
walk in to walmart, I can buy a loaf of bread, but if my fucking shoe tears open, nope can't buy new shoes.
i heard guns and ammo are back to nonessential as well.
They're not on the list I copied above, so that's a good sign since most of the big box grocery stores have an ammo section.i heard guns and ammo are back to nonessential as well.
Yeah the gun stores I know of are still open...
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I get the idea that it's supposed to limit people from going to store for no reason, but i'm thinking of, what about all the people that have to take care of that shit now. The essential workers that now, aside from keeping the shelves stocked, counting people coming/going, cleaning everything at all times, questioning and testing other esseintal workers...now have to go around, seperate off 70% of the store, and keep track of people that stack "non-essential" items in their, then have to take those items away, and either throw them in a big ass pile somewhere, or go put them back.Because it gives a reason for people to go to the store solely to buy unessential items. Do you really need window shades? Do you really need to paint your bedroom? The idea of staying open is to be able to fix your leaky toilet or broken window.
That just created so much more work, and to me, for not a lot of gain. The people doing that buying, are the same ones going to the store, for 1 bag of chips and a 2 liter of cola. They're going to continue necessary trips.
I don't think there's any perfect solution. We all know that, but do you do nothing just because you can't come up with a 100% solution?I get the idea that it's supposed to limit people from going to store for no reason, but i'm thinking of, what about all the people that have to take care of that shit now. The essential workers that now, aside from keeping the shelves stocked, counting people coming/going, cleaning everything at all times, questioning and testing other esseintal workers...now have to go around, seperate off 70% of the store, and keep track of people that stack "non-essential" items in their, then have to take those items away, and either throw them in a big ass pile somewhere, or go put them back.
That just created so much more work, and to me, for not a lot of gain. The people doing that buying, are the same ones going to the store, for 1 bag of chips and a 2 liter of cola. They're going to continue necessary trips.
I agree with Sean that it makes sense if they were to do this from the start, but with what we're seeing now it doesn't really seem like the extra step was necessary. Even the residence to residence thing, I don't see that additional restriction necessary to have the effect that they were looking for (and by most accounts, have achieved).
Case counts were consistent today 6% above yesterday's numbers, but a huge spike in frauds +205, our worst day yet
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Well the new cases in Michigan are trending down but new deaths skyrocketed today. 
What bothers me most is the government deciding what is considered "essential". Paint might not be essential to most of us, but what about those who are expecting a baby and are trying to get a nursery ready? A landlord that is getting a place ready for new tenants? Or anyone who has a home improvement project that will now be on hold because they can't get paint.
Sad, but not unexpected. It makes sense that the deaths would peak later than the new cases peaks.Well the new cases in Michigan are trending down but new deaths skyrocketed today.
Can't say I agree with you there. It's naturally going to take this thing longer to spread up north and in the rural areas. With weather improving and more people off work and/or worried about how bad the SE counties are getting, more and more will be heading to their vacation homes to de-winterize, make improvements, or even just try and avoid the worst of this mess. Not all, but some of them will be out and about in the towns and stores in those areas, spreading the infection, and crippling an already questionable healthcare system. Things don't look bad now but I can absolutely see it getting nasty per capita if people are able to travel unabated. It'll just be several weeks at minimum behind the already populated areas.Even the residence to residence thing, I don't see that additional restriction necessary to have the effect that they were looking for (and by most accounts, have achieved).
I understand your point but I still wouldn't consider any of that essential. Inconvenient sure, but in no way essential to save and protect human life. Really there are already a lot of truly non-essential things on the essential list, not so much the other way around.What bothers me most is the government deciding what is considered "essential". Paint might not be essential to most of us, but what about those who are expecting a baby and are trying to get a nursery ready? A landlord that is getting a place ready for new tenants? Or anyone who has a home improvement project that will now be on hold because they can't get paint.
Take away people's ability to do thing to cope and that terrifies me far more than the virus. Most of my friends are starting drinking at 9am every day, I bet there are a lot of kids in the lower income areas getting beaten to a pulp just because they are home and the parent is home and who's really going to find out?Can't say I agree with you there. It's naturally going to take this thing longer to spread up north and in the rural areas. With weather improving and more people off work and/or worried about how bad the SE counties are getting, more and more will be heading to their vacation homes to de-winterize, make improvements, or even just try and avoid the worst of this mess. Not all, but some of them will be out and about in the towns and stores in those areas, spreading the infection, and crippling an already questionable healthcare system. Things don't look bad now but I can absolutely see it getting nasty per capita if people are able to travel unabated. It'll just be several weeks at minimum behind the already populated areas.
I understand your point but I still wouldn't consider any of that essential. Inconvenient sure, but in no way essential to save and protect human life. Really there are already a lot of truly non-essential things on the essential list, not so much the other way around.
I mean shit, look at this neighborhood.
https://www.tiktok.com/@j_enyeart/video/6810817442626030853
State Rep Steve Johnson posted that he is defying the gov's order on easter. He is going to his parents. I'm curious to see how that pans out.
And then there is this;
Q: Does boating constitute “outdoor activity” under the new executive order?
A: Physical outdoor activity like kayaking, canoeing, and sailing is permitted under the order, but using a motorboat, a jet ski, or other similar watercraft is not.
So much for equal opportunity for the handicapped and elderly to get on the water.
Why can I use my kayak but not my pontoon boat?
Q: Does boating constitute “outdoor activity” under the new executive order?
A: Physical outdoor activity like kayaking, canoeing, and sailing is permitted under the order, but using a motorboat, a jet ski, or other similar watercraft is not.
So much for equal opportunity for the handicapped and elderly to get on the water.
Why can I use my kayak but not my pontoon boat?
Odd that's a direct change from the previous orderAnd then there is this;
Q: Does boating constitute “outdoor activity” under the new executive order?
A: Physical outdoor activity like kayaking, canoeing, and sailing is permitted under the order, but using a motorboat, a jet ski, or other similar watercraft is not.
So much for equal opportunity for the handicapped and elderly to get on the water.
Why can I use my kayak but not my pontoon boat?
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Average hospital stay is I believe 7 days. The article I read said that many people that pass fight for 7 more days, so 14 days in the hospital.Well the new cases in Michigan are trending down but new deaths skyrocketed today.
If those are realistic numbers, it could take a few weeks to see the death trend follow the positive cases trend.
I do hope the trend continues the curve is flattening.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Michigan
As for the lockdown, I think she did yesterday what should have been done since the beginning. Heard that Home Depot had best paint sales month ever. I don't think that stay in place and essential travel only was meant to be family trips to the Home Depot.
But I do look forward to restrictions being lifted, and they day that we can start to return to normal.
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