Keep in mind that my comment included the caveat that the current restrictions are good enough - which means thru this month, not into the summer. I’m being optomistic and hopefully not naive.
coronavirus, we're all gonna die..
Let's hear what the smartest group of people on earth think about it....
Are we doomed?:beer::beerbang::whiz:
PS Wash ur damn hands...
Are we doomed?:beer::beerbang::whiz:
PS Wash ur damn hands...
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I think if they release the restrictions it is really going to blow up. I don't think 3 weeks will be enough. Maybe SE Michigan starts to flatten, but we are still climbing up here. In certain parts of Flint and Detroit the people are having neighborhood BBQ's and kids are playing as normal.Keep in mind that my comment included the caveat that the current restrictions are good enough - which means thru this month, not into the summer. I’m being optomistic and hopefully not naive.
This will get a few of you good and fired up :woot:
That is the big difference here some smell fear and desperation while others smell opportunity on the horizon. No one wants to see a love one lost to this shit but I would take 2 or 3 doses of 19 over the 5 year long battle my grandfather just lost to Dementia. As I explained it to my 8 year-old the other day there is a big difference between reacting to something and over-reacting to something, I see a lot of over-reacting all around us. Don't get me wrong I am not running around licking door knobs or taking ridiculous risk but I am not going to hide under the covers for the next 3 months either.
RBB:usa:
That is the big difference here some smell fear and desperation while others smell opportunity on the horizon. No one wants to see a love one lost to this shit but I would take 2 or 3 doses of 19 over the 5 year long battle my grandfather just lost to Dementia. As I explained it to my 8 year-old the other day there is a big difference between reacting to something and over-reacting to something, I see a lot of over-reacting all around us. Don't get me wrong I am not running around licking door knobs or taking ridiculous risk but I am not going to hide under the covers for the next 3 months either.
RBB:usa:
These people are stupid!I think if they release the restrictions it is really going to blow up. I don't think 3 weeks will be enough. Maybe SE Michigan starts to flatten, but we are still climbing up here. In certain parts of Flint and Detroit the people are having neighborhood BBQ's and kids are playing as normal.
That's kinda the point...if you get it, then then statistically you're going to give it to at least 4 others; then those 4 give it to 4, then those 16 give it to 4...so on so on.This will get a few of you good and fired up :woot:
That is the big difference here some smell fear and desperation while others smell opportunity on the horizon. No one wants to see a love one lost to this shit but I would take 2 or 3 doses of 19 over the 5 year long battle my grandfather just lost to Dementia. As I explained it to my 8 year-old the other day there is a big difference between reacting to something and over-reacting to something, I see a lot of over-reacting all around us. Don't get me wrong I am not running around licking door knobs or taking ridiculous risk but I am not going to hide under the covers for the next 3 months either.
RBB:usa:
Noone is saying this virus is as bad as say, ebola; but it's so much more contagious, for such a long time without you showing symptoms; that everyone is going to get sick at once. You see it right now, how many new cases come all at once? These are the people that got infected 2 weeks ago, and two weeks from now well see the people who got infected today. Any other virus it's like 24 hours.
Everyone gets sick at once, and the hospitals can't handle everyone; let along people with another illness that needs medical attention that they can't get because the hospitals are already overwhelmed.
It's not the virus itself that's the first priority; it's not letting everyone get sick at once, that's what kills people; and kills people not even related to the virus.
nothing i've seen so far, I see as an over-reaction. Not normal, and different than anything ive ever seen in my lifetime, yes. I also live with a loved one that will more than likely die if he gets COVID-19. So I think I understand why these precautions are a big deal.
Realistically, everyone is going to get COVID-19. Seems like it a statistically guaranteed. Just not getting everyone all sick at once is the name of the game.
I have a heart condition so despite my age, I am in the high risk category. I really don't need to leave my 2 year old son without a father, so I hope this is NOT the case.That's kinda the point...if you get it, then then statistically you're going to give it to at least 4 others; then those 4 give it to 4, then those 16 give it to 4...so on so on.
Noone is saying this virus is as bad as say, ebola; but it's so much more contagious, for such a long time without you showing symptoms; that everyone is going to get sick at once. You see it right now, how many new cases come all at once? These are the people that got infected 2 weeks ago, and two weeks from now well see the people who got infected today. Any other virus it's like 24 hours.
Everyone gets sick at once, and the hospitals can't handle everyone; let along people with another illness that needs medical attention that they can't get because the hospitals are already overwhelmed.
It's not the virus itself that's the first priority; it's not letting everyone get sick at once, that's what kills people; and kills people not even related to the virus.
nothing i've seen so far, I see as an over-reaction. Not normal, and different than anything ive ever seen in my lifetime, yes. I also live with a loved one that will more than likely die if he gets COVID-19. So I think I understand why these precautions are a big deal.
Realistically, everyone is going to get COVID-19. Seems like it a statistically guaranteed. Just not getting everyone all sick at once is the name of the game.
Personally I think that if the restrictions are lifted at the end of this month, people are still going to be way more cautious than ever before. We have now trained ourselves to wash our hands more frequently, be careful what we touch, etc. And, I think that just because our governor says yay/nay, that is not going to change the newfound habits.
I also don't think everyone is going to get covid-19. Be exposed to it at some level? Yes. Get it? No. I say this because of a friend who was exposed to a person with it. She was self quarantined for 14 days and never had a single symptom. However, she was literally in a closed room with this person for several hours....... so there is no doubt she was exposed.
You might be able to say that statistically everyone will be exposed to it, but you can't say statistically everyone is guaranteed to get it.
I also don't think everyone is going to get covid-19. Be exposed to it at some level? Yes. Get it? No. I say this because of a friend who was exposed to a person with it. She was self quarantined for 14 days and never had a single symptom. However, she was literally in a closed room with this person for several hours....... so there is no doubt she was exposed.
You might be able to say that statistically everyone will be exposed to it, but you can't say statistically everyone is guaranteed to get it.
No symptoms does not mean she didn't get it, it just means she didn't get symptoms. Big difference. There are asymptomatic carriers and there are light symptoms. That makes up around 80% of KNOWN cases, and as I've been saying since day one, there are likely drastically more cases than we'll ever know about. Which from a hospitalization/mortality rate aspect, is a good thing since the % of badness goes down. But from a simple number/quantity standpoint it makes no difference since the quantity of hospitalizations won't change, supplies still run out, hospitals get overloaded, causes more people to die, etc. The reason it DOES matter if there are more undiagnosed cases is that it means more carriers, whether asymptomatic or "Covid-Lite" wandering around and infecting others, who in turn indirectly add back in to the hospitalizations and death.Personally I think that if the restrictions are lifted at the end of this month, people are still going to be way more cautious than ever before. We have now trained ourselves to wash our hands more frequently, be careful what we touch, etc. And, I think that just because our governor says yay/nay, that is not going to change the newfound habits.
I also don't think everyone is going to get covid-19. Be exposed to it at some level? Yes. Get it? No. I say this because of a friend who was exposed to a person with it. She was self quarantined for 14 days and never had a single symptom. However, she was literally in a closed room with this person for several hours....... so there is no doubt she was exposed.
You might be able to say that statistically everyone will be exposed to it, but you can't say statistically everyone is guaranteed to get it.
I agree that whenever restrictions are lifted most people are still going to be more careful. It won't be enough. There will still be asymptomatic or simply just careless people out and about who've been itching to go out to eat, to visit friends and family, go shopping, go to work, whatever. The numbers WILL go back up unless we wipe this thing out completely (not gonna happen), continue to isolate to prevent spread, or find a way to prevent/treat it(whether vaccine or via herd immunity) in order to go back on with normal life. All signs point to a high likelihood that this will ramp back up if we don't isolate and don't have another way to stop it. Might take a couple months for the cycle and numbers to reach alarming levels, but if there's no other options in place yet, we'll have to isolate again.
So we get it as low as we reasonably can, go back out and go on with our lives albeit a little more careful, and we hope and pray that a better option is available before isolation becomes the only reasonable action. And if we do have to isolate again, we need to do it much sooner and do a much stronger job of it. Stronger isolation actions could mean a 3 week isolation period instead of 3 months of half-assing it.
Let's just be realistic, there's no "going right back" to the way things were. Any repeal of the stay at home will be a process and won't be done all at once.
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So what is the over/under on rioting when the weather actually gets nice? I think that is the real problem. People going to get really crazy when the weather is nice and they can't go anywhere OR work on projects because they cannot get materials.
Yes, i can see Wayne, Oakland, and Macomb (mine) counties being locked down longer then say Alcona county.Let's just be realistic, there's no "going right back" to the way things were. Any repeal of the stay at home will be a process and won't be done all at once.
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I don't see full on riots, but definitely more people breaking the order and getting in more trouble because of it. I've heard they've gotten much more strict and implemented the $1000 fine for non-essential travel like going to Lowe's for some 2x4s for home projects. I hate that it has to come to that, but I don't see any other way to make this thing work.So what is the over/under on rioting when the weather actually gets nice? I think that is the real problem. People going to get really crazy when the weather is nice and they can't go anywhere OR work on projects because they cannot get materials.
Are they still allowing outdoor recreation? Like can I drive my mountain bike 20 minutes away to go ride by myself in the woods? I haven't looked into that yet whether or not it's still allowed. I know it was with the initial order, but not sure yet with what changed late last week. For the sake of my mental health I've distanced myself a bit from the latest and greatest news.
https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98178_98455-522631--,00.htmlI don't see full on riots, but definitely more people breaking the order and getting in more trouble because of it. I've heard they've gotten much more strict and implemented the $1000 fine for non-essential travel like going to Lowe's for some 2x4s for home projects. I hate that it has to come to that, but I don't see any other way to make this thing work.
Are they still allowing outdoor recreation? Like can I drive my mountain bike 20 minutes away to go ride by myself in the woods? I haven't looked into that yet whether or not it's still allowed. I know it was with the initial order, but not sure yet with what changed late last week. For the sake of my mental health I've distanced myself a bit from the latest and greatest news.
They're allowing boating, so I assume you can go mountain biking. Want to go hit up Chelsea DTE trails?
Edit: just found this...
Individuals may leave their home or place of residence, and travel as necessary:
To engage in outdoor activity, including walking, hiking, running, cycling, or any other recreational activity consistent with remaining at least six feet from people from outside the individual’s household.
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Those I knew about, that's all from the original stay at home from March 23. I wasn't sure if this new stuff with $1000 fines and whatnot had changed any of that.https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98178_98455-522631--,00.html
They're allowing boating, so I assume you can go mountain biking. Want to go hit up Chelsea DTE trails?
Edit: just found this...
Individuals may leave their home or place of residence, and travel as necessary:
To engage in outdoor activity, including walking, hiking, running, cycling, or any other recreational activity consistent with remaining at least six feet from people from outside the individual’s household.
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Edit: I did some digging and it looks like no new relevant orders have come out. Must have just been a verbal discussion on one of the press meetings and maybe a bit more law enforcement crackdown. But apparently no major changes like I suspected.
It's a show of force, they're not enforcing them.
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I've heard quite a few second and third hand accounts of it getting worse, especially places like Home Depot and Menards, but no first hand and haven't looked into what the actual changes late late week were. I know some got more strict but haven't looked for myself yet what was changed. Sounds like enough people were skirting and ignoring it that they're going to continually spell it out and clamp down.It's a show of force, they're not enforcing them.
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Yep, same, I keep hearing second and third hand info. No one that has had an actual experience yet. In the end, you're not doing anything illegal by just being outside. You can't be interrogated/investigated just for being outside your home.
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Good luck actually enforcing that $1,000 civil "fine" bullshit. Like LE doesn't have anything more pressing to deal with.
I really think this is going to last far beyond another month or two. Testing for a vaccine isn't even going to begin in human trials until September, and that's really the only way to stop it. Other than that, slowly infecting a sufficient amount of the population, then treating the symptoms as needed until they are over it and letting those people back into the population (herd immunity).
You can just be lucky and not get it from someone who does have it. That shit happens all the time, with any sickness. But you wont know until 14 days after either way, during which time you could spread it to X amount of more people.
I really think this is going to last far beyond another month or two. Testing for a vaccine isn't even going to begin in human trials until September, and that's really the only way to stop it. Other than that, slowly infecting a sufficient amount of the population, then treating the symptoms as needed until they are over it and letting those people back into the population (herd immunity).
You can just be lucky and not get it from someone who does have it. That shit happens all the time, with any sickness. But you wont know until 14 days after either way, during which time you could spread it to X amount of more people.
I admit, I went to Home Depot over the weekend for some wood for projects. Which I will continue to do, if the store is open and people are working. I did not go to the store for a $3 box of nails; I made a list of what I want to get done, multiple projects, or parts to projects, and got everything at once; limiting the amount of time(s) i'm at the store, and "out and about".I've heard quite a few second and third hand accounts of it getting worse, especially places like Home Depot and Menards, but no first hand and haven't looked into what the actual changes late late week were. I know some got more strict but haven't looked for myself yet what was changed. Sounds like enough people were skirting and ignoring it that they're going to continually spell it out and clamp down.
I think of it this way; go at a time that there's less people, if there's a lot of people, wait later. If the store if open, then people are getting paychecks. I want people to keep getting pay checks, keep their full jobs. I take precautions as much as I can; my family eats take out 1 or 2 times a week now, which is 1-2 times more a week than we used to; places are open, and people are working, I want to support that, and support the town.
I don't go the grocery store, my wife is there 6 or 7 times a week already for work, so why would I make an unnecessary trip and put my self where i'm don't need to be. We make a grocery list and get everything at once; we don't have an ingredient for tonight dinner, then we make something else for dinner till the shopping trip.
Then you have the hilljacks that bring the 6 kids, and the grandma to the store to buy shoes and sweat pants (yes, this is an actual occurrence i'm speaking of), and nothing else. Then you have people that drive the entire family (mom, dad, 4 kids all coughing and sneezing) from both Meier and walmart to find the best deal on a new flat screen cause their taxes came in.
Yeah I don't have a problem with any of that. I typically have a lot of supplies on hand and picked up some more ~3 weeks ago when I saw that it was going to get bad. A well thought out, purposeful shopping trip at a slow time is fine. Going out at 3pm on a Saturday for a package of noodles and a 6 pack of beer is idiotic.I admit, I went to Home Depot over the weekend for some wood for projects. Which I will continue to do, if the store is open and people are working. I did not go to the store for a $3 box of nails; I made a list of what I want to get done, multiple projects, or parts to projects, and got everything at once; limiting the amount of time(s) i'm at the store, and "out and about".
I think of it this way; go at a time that there's less people, if there's a lot of people, wait later. If the store if open, then people are getting paychecks. I want people to keep getting pay checks, keep their full jobs. I take precautions as much as I can; my family eats take out 1 or 2 times a week now, which is 1-2 times more a week than we used to; places are open, and people are working, I want to support that, and support the town.
I don't go the grocery store, my wife is there 6 or 7 times a week already for work, so why would I make an unnecessary trip and put my self where i'm don't need to be. We make a grocery list and get everything at once; we don't have an ingredient for tonight dinner, then we make something else for dinner till the shopping trip.
I want to support restaurants and get carry out, but frankly I'm too paranoid. They'll get plenty of my business when this is over, for now I'm not willing to put my family at risk for it. I get that it goes against the logic of helping the little guy when they need it most, but just not worth the admittedly low risk to me currently.
Yes, these are the kind of people who are the problem through and through. I wish the virus would just wipe out these morons and run its course, but they'll end up passing it along to innocent and careful people instead.Then you have the hilljacks that bring the 6 kids, and the grandma to the store to buy shoes and sweat pants (yes, this is an actual occurrence i'm speaking of), and nothing else. Then you have people that drive the entire family (mom, dad, 4 kids all coughing and sneezing) from both Meier and walmart to find the best deal on a new flat screen cause their taxes came in.
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