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No, I was given the choice. I chose to do it.

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Was your choice to get the vax, or lose your job?

 

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At the time I received my vaccine that was not the case. Also, regardless of how gruesome the situation you described is, it is still a choice. No choice exists without consequences.

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At least you did make the choice.
Choosing between your job and the vax is not a choice... it is an ultimatum, driven by coercion. That is illegal, and that not even the most gruesome part of all this. The fact that people think they have a choice when being forced(coerced) into it, and then accepting that they made a "choice" is the most gruesome part.
I don't care what people do, vax, no vax, whatever, just don't try to to force me to do something I'm not comfortable with, then tell me i made a choice. (Yes dangling your job in front of your nose is being forced not choosing)
IMO those who lost their jobs over this will score big when the lawsuits hit in a few years. Those who "willingly" took the vax to keep their jobs well be asking where their payout is. The reply will be, "you chose wrong".

 

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Here's hoping the SCOTUS will agree with you. (as do I) Sure seems the Nuremberg code comes in to play.........

Sadly i think they won't... they sold out during or even before citizens united IMO...

 

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That's very sad to hear about your daughter's sister in law. I wanted to punch my radio everytime I heard that commercial saying "I got my vaccine cause I'm 27 weeks pregnant and wanted to protect our baby boy" and of course followed by "this advertisement brought to you by Pfizer"

My wife just had our daughter 2 weeks ago with mom and baby very healthy. We both refuse to get the vaccine, and neither of us have gotten covid yet.



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Had it, survived fine. 5-6 days of real shitty sickness then another week to recover. I've been sicker, and with all the hype i should've died since i have a long history with uri's and pneumonia.

 

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So allowing corporations to break laws, and allowing the government to use those corporations to skirt the constitution is benefiting who exactly?
Why are sheep so proud to admit that they hate the USA and why it was founded?.... in a nutshell the gov(the crown back then) became to large, powerful, and corrupt. The people of this country wanted freedom, for the foreseeable future. Now, here we are, the foreseeable future, and our rights, liberties, and freedoms are being wisked away... I'll say it again, if you use a negative consequence to force a person to choose one way or another, you are breaking the law.

 

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You're gonna be real angry when you figure out that decisions often have consequences.




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What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously what do you mean? Which decision about vax mandates will i be angry about making? Please enlighten me if i missed something here... my post literally tells you how laws are being broken by both the corps and the gov, yet you think MY decision is the one I'll be angry at?
Are you afraid of catching this virus?
Do you believe your government would never lead you to your demise? Do you believe your government cares about you beyond your ability to pay taxes?
From your posts here lately i already know the answers to those questions.... but please let me on on which of my decisions will make me angry.

 

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The government is not the end all. They will rule all of our lives if we let them. They have a place and its not to rule everything we do.

Their place is literally too protect us from foreign governments and large corporations... large corporations have taken over. They did it long before citizens united, but that ruling solidified their stake in our lives. We were fucked before Corona, but now it's blatant and we're not doing anything about it but bitching on a forum.

 

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You are talking about big tech and media then. They seemed to have their hand in how the election went last go around. Trump pointed it out and they went after him even the more.

Don't forget big pharma

 

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Lol it's not true. I know many people who smoke pot all day long and have had covid...

 

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Actually it takes it even one step further and talks of "excess deaths". That is the number of deaths vs. an average death rate. So there are reasons to question it, just like every other study out there. But don't go dismissing it just because it doesn't fit your preferred narrative.

Well, you can't over look population growth, and the fact that the population over the age of 65 is growing steadily, and the over 85 group is growing the fastest of all age demographics... but those details don't fit the Covid narrative, do they?
The average death rate is thrown out the door when illegals are counted in it, considering any and all covid deaths were counted no matter the citizenship status.
Then don't overlook the Covid death rate by age. Sure shows a picture you can't ignore, but most will... they will also never give you data on the number of people who have gotten Covid and survived, whether vaccinated or not...

 

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Yes, those are all things that would need to be considered in any study.

But they haven't been... they only give raw data, and no analysis of years past, or even milestone years... nope just death tolls.

 

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All the data is out there, especially to those doing the studies.

Yes it is, but you still used raw data to argue for the effectiveness of masks, vaccines, and social distancing... as does the media, still to this day. We all know the only thing that matters is what the media is peddling, and by not telling the whole story, they lost any credibility they had. And IMO you're losing any credibility you had on this subject by now agreeing with my post, do considering you did exactly what the media did...

 

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I'm sorry they didn't work for you, but statistics have shown that they are effective.

If you only look at the statistics the media outlets are showing, then yes they are effective... but the real data shows that they are indeed not effective against contracting or spreading the virus. They changed their wording to say that the vax is effective at keeping you from severe symptoms, or even hospitalization, and yet there are countless numbers of people who have had the virus with no vax and didn't need hospitalization or have much for symptoms.... so again the data isn't giving the full story, and here you are buying it like you have been from the start.
I'll say it again, anyone taking this fool or the media seriously at this point are literally sheep waiting for the savior to arrive. You'll be waiting forever because it isn't coming.

 

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This is exactly what I did, researched for my self. The conclusion I came to was that I did not need the jab as I have no comorbidities and am not overweight. I would not die if I contracted the Covid.

I've had it... didn't die, but have a condition where uri's knock my dick straight in the dirt. I've been far sicker in the past. It was not just some cold to me, but i was never scared i wasn't going to recover.

 

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I wonder how many people who didn't really want a shot got one for work or travel.

My best guess is at least 50% of vaxxed individuals did not "want" to get one.

 

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I've had it 3 times now. Never once tested, but sick with the exact same symptoms as those who tested positive around me. First time was pretty bad, but I've been sicker about 7.5/10. Second time a couple days of being fairly sick, but only about a 4/10. Last time my wife was laid up for a whole week, this was only about 3 weeks ago. She was as sick as she was the first time we got it. I was only sick for an evening till morning. I even called off work just to be sure(and it was a long 2 weeks lead up to that Friday lol) and was all better by 2 pm... 1/10
No shots, no precautions to keep from getting it... don't care not worried, was only a concern for the first 2 weeks of the lock downs. Once the bodies didn't "pile up in the streets" like i was promised constantly by the news and social media sites, i decided it was over blown propaganda that curtailed statistics for both political and monetary gain... if you sit back and look at the real stats now, including age ranges of the deceased along with health of the victim, you'll find a very easy to spot pattern...a pattern i predicted from the beginning.
don't get me wrong, There was certainly reason for certain groups to be worried and cautious, but the majority of us should have carried on with life as usual so it would've been over faster... now here we are trying to figure out shortages on everything and anything and delays on top of all that... what a fucking mess

 

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What's so baffling about the idea that getting a shot might lessen the severity of an infection? I'm a bit baffled by someone that's had it 3 times and still thinks it's "over blown propaganda", even knowing that there have been perfectly healthy people die from it.

I didn't say it didn't exist...i said it was overblown. What do you think i should do? Go out and get all the shots dictated by both media and the shot suppliers? In reality I'm a high risk patient... but covid didn't kill me, and it seems the symptoms are getting less severe over time... kinda seems like the virus gonna virus regardless of what you take or do to prevent it.
Seriously, prove "perfectly healthy" people have died... prove there wasn't an underlying condition... you can't because the media said there wasn't...
How many times have you even been close to dieing from a cold, or even the flu? I've been very close to death from pneumonia. It's not fun, i was never close to death from covid, yes very sick, but i can tell you, from real near death experience, that i was never close to death. I'll bet most people who died weren't even near death. Hospitals literally killed people with vents. Show me one single person who was healthy, caught covid, and died at home. All the "perfectly healthy" people that did die, died on a FUCKING VENT... you sure have been fooled by the propaganda machine. Good luck letting the .gov make all your decisions for you "perfectly healthy" citizen 🤣
Baffling to me that full grown adults with all the information in the world available in the palm of your hand still think it wasn't overblown propaganda to make literally kabillions of dollars for all involved.

 

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Key word highlighted above. I work with a guy who is convinced the shot kept him from getting it bad and right next to him is a guy who didn't get the shot and didn't get it bad. 2 people, same office, same symptoms, one with a shot, one without.

Did the shot make a difference? NO ONE knows. It's all a guessing game filled with opinions. Personally, the more evidence comes out about side effects, I'm glad I didn't take the jab.

I've had the flu way more than 3 times and been mighty sick from it. Doesn't make me want to hide in my house afraid I might get it again. I've never had a flu shot and at the moment, don't intend to ever get one. As I get older, my opinion may change.

RE perfectly healthy died from it, I don't know anyone who fits this description. My wife was worrying about exposure last month. I asked her, now that we have been into this almost 2 years, how many people do we personally know who have been hospitalized from this?
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How many people do we personally know who have died from this?
1 - he had just turned 100, was feeble, had respiratory issues and wasn't doing well before he got Covid. Did Covid kill him?

According to propaganda, yes he did die from covid, and had it not been for all of us unvaccinated shit stains, that man would still be alive, thriving to this very day...

Ps. No matter the circumstances death sucks, and I'm sorry for any loss that anyone has suffered, and I'm not making light of their death, but the very idea that taking a shot will actually prevent us from dying...

 

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Well, I never got a mild case of Measles, Mumps, or Rubella. Never a less severe case of small Pox, never a little bit of Polio..

The shots didn't prevent people from catching, or spreading the disease. That's a simple, honest, fact at this point, that some still can't seem to admit.

And definitely not was promised out of them in winter 2020 when we were going to be able to do all the things again as soon as Pfizer got 14 trillion in tax payer dollars for forcing themselves on everyone.

Also I have no idea where the, had it 3 times thing came in, or overblown propaganda, I said neither of those things. I've actually never once tested positive for Covid personally, although my wife did last November, and was sick for a week, and my sickness followed the same course 3 days later. I just never bothered to get a test since I worked from home anyway.

He was actually talking to/ about me by quoting you...

 

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Apparently you've forgotten about Keith;

R.I.P. Keith Kodet

Don't know any details other than saw he passed yesterday. I don't think he was much older than mid 40's??

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So, without being disrespectful to our about Keith, whom i have no clue about, what exactly do you know about his condition before and during his bout with covid. Can you tell me with 100% certainty that he was "perfectly healthy"?? Did he get tested for all the things that might creep up and kill someone who is "perfectly healthy" just prior to getting covid? There is no such thing as perfectly healthy... we're all afflicted with something. Most of just don't know it, or, won't follow the signs to figuring out if there's a reason to get tested for disease. You're just lying to yourself at this point. Perfectly healthy people (lol seemingly is the proper term) drop fucking dead all the time, end up with cancer, or worse. So stop using the term Perfectly healthy... it's literally used to invoke an emotional response from those that feel helpless and need others to feel helpless alongside them. Propaganda at its finest. I learned all about Propaganda in elementary school, learned how they use it against us without even realizing it... they're using it against all of us... the fact we're still arguing over this nonsense means it's working, duh