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Not true. Have you heard about Jesus?

Now that was funny! :sonicjay::sonicjay:

 

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There will be far more cases confirmed, simply because this and most viruses are never tested for. This will feed the hype and hysteria even more.

My background is in microbiology, and my wife is a molecular biologist, shes the one that actually does these tests, and also now runs the lab that takes the samples and does the tests. The only stress shes feeling is getting the new equipment running she has been asking for for 2 years. The government made the money available and now the hospital rubber stamped it as a result of this.

She was not worried until she saw me checking inventories in case the hood comes looking for easy takings.

My personal feelings is there is a lot the government is not telling us, as with other viruses we lost lots of people and no one lost their heads like this, not enough to decimate the worlds economies anyway.

China will recover fast, slave labor and still plenty of people, the rest of the world, not so much. Then with Wall Street tanked it will make it easier than ever for them to buy up our industry, and economy.

On our end government will use it as an excuse for more control and less freedoms that we will never get back.

That is honestly one of my biggest concerns, that there will be all these regulations and limitations placed; curfews, limites on groups...etc. Then when this clears up, and it will, the government will realize "Hey, people are much more manageable like this" and all these limitations and regulations won't go away.

Look at the patriot act. Whatever good it does, it is still 100% a violation of your rights, but it was passed in a time of desperation, need, and fear; then it never went away and was rationalized every time as we still need, regardless if we really do, it is still in place, long since after the fear and major concerns for it are gone. Almost 20 years later, and now it's just been there so long, nobody really cares to end it, because most people forget it's even still there.

 

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I don't agree with the weather/temperature theory. Australia is not having any luck with their 80+ degree temperatures.

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well, there's also a reason why more people get sick in the winter time. Virus can't survive outside saliva or mucus; in the winter that just freezes and thaws just enough with human contact for that person to contract it, couple that with a lack of sunshine and lack of general well being (people are generally much happier, and feel better in the summer, huge factor is their body's ability to fight infections and viruses). In the summer, that saliva dries up rather quick, and the virus dies off without being able to infect as many people.

warm weather doesn't kill or stop it, it lessons it. CV survives in cool damp areas for like 10 days or something ridiculous, in warm environments that are less damp, it's like 24 hours. Australia is also a very humid country on most hot days.

 

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Boy everybody’s a expert but wrong info. Nobody really knows what’s going to happen when it gets warm

https://fox40.com/news/coronavirus/cold-weather-kills-coronavirus-and-13-other-covid-19-myths/amp/


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None of that actually answers anything.

And if you actually use scientific journals; warmer drier weather lessons the amount of time the virus stays alive on things in saliva.

 

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We reconnected in 07, 09, 11, 13-15. I had it bad for her and I’m hard to stay mad at. We tried.

and yet you never called me back after our supposedly "magical" weekend.

Jerk.

 

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Still, it should be made clear.

Change subject from my philandering ways.
I thought it was on here, one of you reprobates last year said about ammo “these are the good times, buy up”.
I wanted to buy a metric shit ton of 22LR Then, but was too busy with the move. Oh well, next time.

Glad I bought my AR when I did and ammo for it.

This time though, there probably will be a legitimate shortage as places that manufacture it won't be for a while.

 

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The governor speaks at 11am today. Word is she is shutting it all down.

Which is really funny, because not 2 days ago she made a statement that shutting everything down wasn't something she was "even contemplating"

https://wdet.org/posts/2020/03/20/8...ing-lockdown-or-shelter-in-place-in-michigan/

 

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this stay at home order, really is not anything new. they've been telling people that for the last 3 weeks. Only difference now, is the governor made it "have to" instead of "should"

chill the fawk out people. stay the fawk at home. No, it is not martial law, and if you think so, you're a dumbass.

 

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No question it'll continue to rise, at this point it's just a matter of for how long. Gonna be reeeeeal bad for a long time, that's for sure.

The antibody thing and herd immunity is definitely of major interest to me. I'm starting to see more and more reports though of potential re-infections of recovered patients in places like Wuhan. Scary stuff, although at this point there are obviously lots of variables that could be at play. Plus potentially fast mutation rates of the virus could further complicate things. I'm trying to just roll with it as much as possible since I'm already doing as much as I realistically can to stay healthy and safe.....but I'm a very analytical person and like to have a plan, so it's tough for me to just shut that off and ride the wave.

I don't think re-infection is as huge a concern though, because then it would be similar to flu now in regards that the body will still have a better ability to fight the virus as it has the anti-bodies for it to begin with. So even if (when) it mutates, the body will be more prepared to fight it off, versus now where there's no anti-bodies for any form of it.

Then again, i'm also not a doctor, and this is just me thinking out out.

 

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I haven't dug a moat or built a trebuchet yet, so there's still work to be done.


I like and can't disagree with that logic, but I'm worried with how little we still know about this that maybe it's not that simple. Guess we'll find out.

I mean, if you can recover from it one, then like any other corona virus, you can recover from it again. Even ebola patients that recover have antibodies that last 10+ years. Not saying i'm not worried, but this is a big deal because it's a novel virus.

To me, the whole point right now, is to slow the rate of infection, to treat the infected properly, get the over it, and move on until probably everyone has had it. Then even if people get it again, it hopefully won't be as bad as the initial infection.

 

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By staying away from people this will work. It can't spread if people aren't socializing / congregating. I have not left the house since 3/19. My wife has left the house once since 3/17 to get groceries, our son has been home from daycare since 3/17. Hopefully most are doing the same so we can squash this thing and get back to a somewhat normal life.

I admit, I did go run some errands; went to the hardware store, bank drive through, picked up a set of tires for my grandpa's truck.

I could have waited to get to the hardware store, and the truck could wait. My excuse is, I'm trying to get the cleaned up to sell (2010 sierra 1500 if anyone interested :naughty: ).

This week i'm at work, so i'm leaving for that, and my wife will continue to be at work (pharmacy). I don't do any shopping, and she only gets stuff if need a bunch of stuff at once, rather than walking around for one or two items.

 

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I went and got more fuel last night at about 8pm...

In the 25 minutes it took me to fill all my cans I saw 1 car drive by. It was a delivery person for Cottage Inn pizza. Other than that, only semi trucks. Usually Chelsea is a rocking place.

It really doesn't seem that dead up here. Could be just because it's a smaller city and there less nonsense traffic, but I don't think that people here are taking the stay home order seriously.

My wife works at the pharmacy and she has said that ever day there's tons of people there, whole families (mom, dad, 5 kids)...etc. We live right on the main road, and traffic is slower, but you'd never know there was any kind of quarantine order in place. Just seems more like a weekend.

It hasn't hit here yet, at least none reported, but it's going to happen. And right now, Alpena has just been lucky, rather than smart.

 

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so this is what we are doing.

our isolation started a week to ten days before you guys. I'm no oracle, it just worked out that way. we have had contact with six (I counted) since this started.

We started the grocery delivery too. order on line, two hour later a person brings it to you. Now it takes three days.


I have a buddy in Idaho.

Otis moved semi off grid when he retired. He has a beautiful place overlooking the Payette River. No internet and local TV. he goes to town every month for groceries. Thats the setup. when this started I called him, Otis said, and I quote "This is the backwoods of Idaho, we dont do that here".

He now says all the summer homes on the way to town, that are normally vacant, had two to five cars in the driveways. There are people EVERYWHERE! When he got to the market, the shelves were bare. The truck comes in on wednesday night after closing, by thursday noon they were cleaned out.

He says he will try McCall or Boise if he cannot stock up at the store this week.



he is the only one in my small circle I know in dire straights. I amazoned him a case of progresso soup and three boxes of crackers. who knows when that will get there.

and that's how this shit spread to places that don't have international traffic. Douchebags from hot zones up and left the first time someone said "stay put"

 

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Its called a "raiding party", people will get desperate. "prepare to repel boarders!"

Since about a month or so ago, we have kept all doors and windows locked at all times, home or not.

Also have a gun within reaching distance of all entrances. Handgun and SBS. Luckily my grandpa, living with us, doesn't give a fuck, and keeps his little .380 on him at all times. so even when we're not home, someone is home on watch.

Call it what you will, but i'd rather be prepared and at least have a chance rather than some hill-jack asswad decide to raid the place cause he's got go boom stick

 

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https://www.americanthinker.com/art...WdxtAk8-0nQFd5U5pYfUgT-j2awOOgY#ixzz6IldKz4Gk

Is shutting the whole country down such a great idea? As a society we don't shut everything down for cold a flu season and 60,000 people died from that last year alone.
This is a more contagious than the flu I get that but is it ok to destroy an economy over it? Which would affect millions in so many ways.

Cripple the economy or kill millions? What would be a lesser evil?


Its pretty interesting how the flu comparisons are still being used, even with months of explanations on how it's nothing like the flu. We know the flu, we don't know COVID-19, that's the difference.

You're not contagious with the flu for 14 days before you even show symptoms.

 

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This will get a few of you good and fired up :woot:


That is the big difference here some smell fear and desperation while others smell opportunity on the horizon. No one wants to see a love one lost to this shit but I would take 2 or 3 doses of 19 over the 5 year long battle my grandfather just lost to Dementia. As I explained it to my 8 year-old the other day there is a big difference between reacting to something and over-reacting to something, I see a lot of over-reacting all around us. Don't get me wrong I am not running around licking door knobs or taking ridiculous risk but I am not going to hide under the covers for the next 3 months either.


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That's kinda the point...if you get it, then then statistically you're going to give it to at least 4 others; then those 4 give it to 4, then those 16 give it to 4...so on so on.

Noone is saying this virus is as bad as say, ebola; but it's so much more contagious, for such a long time without you showing symptoms; that everyone is going to get sick at once. You see it right now, how many new cases come all at once? These are the people that got infected 2 weeks ago, and two weeks from now well see the people who got infected today. Any other virus it's like 24 hours.

Everyone gets sick at once, and the hospitals can't handle everyone; let along people with another illness that needs medical attention that they can't get because the hospitals are already overwhelmed.


It's not the virus itself that's the first priority; it's not letting everyone get sick at once, that's what kills people; and kills people not even related to the virus.


nothing i've seen so far, I see as an over-reaction. Not normal, and different than anything ive ever seen in my lifetime, yes. I also live with a loved one that will more than likely die if he gets COVID-19. So I think I understand why these precautions are a big deal.

Realistically, everyone is going to get COVID-19. Seems like it a statistically guaranteed. Just not getting everyone all sick at once is the name of the game.

 

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Good luck actually enforcing that $1,000 civil "fine" bullshit. Like LE doesn't have anything more pressing to deal with.

I really think this is going to last far beyond another month or two. Testing for a vaccine isn't even going to begin in human trials until September, and that's really the only way to stop it. Other than that, slowly infecting a sufficient amount of the population, then treating the symptoms as needed until they are over it and letting those people back into the population (herd immunity).

You can just be lucky and not get it from someone who does have it. That shit happens all the time, with any sickness. But you wont know until 14 days after either way, during which time you could spread it to X amount of more people.

 

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I've heard quite a few second and third hand accounts of it getting worse, especially places like Home Depot and Menards, but no first hand and haven't looked into what the actual changes late late week were. I know some got more strict but haven't looked for myself yet what was changed. Sounds like enough people were skirting and ignoring it that they're going to continually spell it out and clamp down.

I admit, I went to Home Depot over the weekend for some wood for projects. Which I will continue to do, if the store is open and people are working. I did not go to the store for a $3 box of nails; I made a list of what I want to get done, multiple projects, or parts to projects, and got everything at once; limiting the amount of time(s) i'm at the store, and "out and about".

I think of it this way; go at a time that there's less people, if there's a lot of people, wait later. If the store if open, then people are getting paychecks. I want people to keep getting pay checks, keep their full jobs. I take precautions as much as I can; my family eats take out 1 or 2 times a week now, which is 1-2 times more a week than we used to; places are open, and people are working, I want to support that, and support the town.

I don't go the grocery store, my wife is there 6 or 7 times a week already for work, so why would I make an unnecessary trip and put my self where i'm don't need to be. We make a grocery list and get everything at once; we don't have an ingredient for tonight dinner, then we make something else for dinner till the shopping trip.



Then you have the hilljacks that bring the 6 kids, and the grandma to the store to buy shoes and sweat pants (yes, this is an actual occurrence i'm speaking of), and nothing else. Then you have people that drive the entire family (mom, dad, 4 kids all coughing and sneezing) from both Meier and walmart to find the best deal on a new flat screen cause their taxes came in.

 

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what the fawk is the purpose of forcing buisnesses to not sell "non essential" items" when that store has both?

What in the actual fuck is going right now.

walk in to walmart, I can buy a loaf of bread, but if my fucking shoe tears open, nope can't buy new shoes.

 

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Because it gives a reason for people to go to the store solely to buy unessential items. Do you really need window shades? Do you really need to paint your bedroom? The idea of staying open is to be able to fix your leaky toilet or broken window.

I get the idea that it's supposed to limit people from going to store for no reason, but i'm thinking of, what about all the people that have to take care of that shit now. The essential workers that now, aside from keeping the shelves stocked, counting people coming/going, cleaning everything at all times, questioning and testing other esseintal workers...now have to go around, seperate off 70% of the store, and keep track of people that stack "non-essential" items in their, then have to take those items away, and either throw them in a big ass pile somewhere, or go put them back.

That just created so much more work, and to me, for not a lot of gain. The people doing that buying, are the same ones going to the store, for 1 bag of chips and a 2 liter of cola. They're going to continue necessary trips.