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Simple....don't drink and/or do drugs and drive.

pretty fawking simple to me. one or two beers, sure that's a difference than 5 or 6 in the last 2 hours and then driving. Don't be a fawking wack off and go just because "you're good".

Your word should never win in that argument. You shouldn't even be in that situation where your ability to drive appropriately is in question. If you're not sure, then don't f-u-c-k-i-n-g drive. Is the world going to end if you don't drink? Are you going to die if you don't drink? Is it a matter of national security that have absolutely have to be at this party and drink, and absolutely have to drive yourself? No. The answer is No to all of that. You're a fawking asshole dick-bag that decides to put yourself and others at risk because "you're good".

Now, Dave, will have to live the rest of his life with the consequences of those actions. Regardless of any BS stuff the legal system can do, that pales in comparison for him having that guilt.
I hope that wasn't directed at me. I'm not sticking up for Dave or the situation. Fact is, even if I wanted to, I don't know enough about what happened to do so logically. But I don't want to....like I said, I'm reserving judgement. I'm simply saying it's not always as cut and dried as straight up drunk driving. I agree with your points, if you're impaired in any way you should not be behind the wheel, period. But legally it's not always that simple. If you consume anything, impairment or not, below the legal limit or not, there's potential to get in trouble. That's the only point I'm trying to make.
Just to play devil's advocate in regards to the grey area of impaired driving, I'm sure there have also been illegitimate cases of charges against individuals too. Again, I'm not trying to justify any of this or state an opinion one way or another. But mistakes happen. Not all cops are good, or even a good cop may have a lapse in judgement. They're human, it happens. Statistically speaking it's pretty much guaranteed that there are people who have been wrongly accused and wrongly convicted of impaired driving based on the way the law is set. The same goes for just about any law really. It's not a perfect system and it's run by even less perfect humans. Did that happen in this case? Doubtful? Does it happen in most cases? Even more doubtful. But it does happen.
Example: Ever miss seeing someone in your blindspot? Or spin out on ice? Or not see someone coming at an intersection? Any one of those could result in an accident. Now what if you had one or two beers in your system? The officer smells it, your driving and impairment comes into question regardless of whether or not that in any way played a role in the situation, and you've gone from an accident victim to a suspect. Simple as that. Sure, in most cases justice will prevail and you'll be on your way. But that's not always the case. When it comes to impaired driving of any kind, consider yourself guilty until proven innocent. We all know the risk of driving drunk, both personally and legally, and we all agree if you choose to do so you're an idiot. But not everyone understands the risk of driving sober after drinking small amounts. I'm just trying to shed some light on that risk. Are you a danger to society and others on the road? Not likely. Are you at higher risk of getting burned by the legal system? Absolutely.
 

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I hope that wasn't directed at me. I'm not sticking up for Dave or the situation. Fact is, even if I wanted to, I don't know enough about what happened to do so logically. But I don't want to....like I said, I'm reserving judgement. I'm simply saying it's not always as cut and dried as straight up drunk driving. I agree with your points, if you're impaired in any way you should not be behind the wheel, period. But legally it's not always that simple. If you consume anything, impairment or not, below the legal limit or not, there's potential to get in trouble. That's the only point I'm trying to make.
Just to play devil's advocate in regards to the grey area of impaired driving, I'm sure there have also been illegitimate cases of charges against individuals too. Again, I'm not trying to justify any of this or state an opinion one way or another. But mistakes happen. Not all cops are good, or even a good cop may have a lapse in judgement. They're human, it happens. Statistically speaking it's pretty much guaranteed that there are people who have been wrongly accused and wrongly convicted of impaired driving based on the way the law is set. The same goes for just about any law really. It's not a perfect system and it's run by even less perfect humans. Did that happen in this case? Doubtful? Does it happen in most cases? Even more doubtful. But it does happen.
Example: Ever miss seeing someone in your blindspot? Or spin out on ice? Or not see someone coming at an intersection? Any one of those could result in an accident. Now what if you had one or two beers in your system? The officer smells it, your driving and impairment comes into question regardless of whether or not that in any way played a role in the situation, and you've gone from an accident victim to a suspect. Simple as that. Sure, in most cases justice will prevail and you'll be on your way. But that's not always the case. When it comes to impaired driving of any kind, consider yourself guilty until proven innocent. We all know the risk of driving drunk, both personally and legally, and we all agree if you choose to do so you're an idiot. But not everyone understands the risk of driving sober after drinking small amounts. I'm just trying to shed some light on that risk. Are you a danger to society and others on the road? Not likely. Are you at higher risk of getting burned by the legal system? Absolutely.
Not directed at you, just in general.

I have issues with people that put others at risk because "they're good". Not just with that, but the entire mentality of putting someone else at risk because you don't think something will happen.
 

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Not directed at you, just in general.

I have issues with people that put others at risk because "they're good". Not just with that, but the entire mentality of putting someone else at risk because you don't think something will happen.
So should I call you to come and get me if I've had more than 2 pops at the daily limit? :teehee: (just kidding)
 

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This is all around very sad. I'm a friend of Dave's. Not to take anything away from Jeremy's family or anything like that but that accident destroyed two lives and two families. Dave has his own family that now has to deal with this and I'm sure it's pretty much destroyed it, and Dave himself, and his career. I think and pray for both families daily. I can't imagine the pain.
 

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This is all around very sad. I'm a friend of Dave's. Not to take anything away from Jeremy's family or anything like that but that accident destroyed two lives and two families. Dave has his own family that now has to deal with this and I'm sure it's pretty much destroyed it, and Dave himself, and his career. I think and pray for both families daily. I can't imagine the pain.
Agreed. Both where great people!
 

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This is all around very sad. I'm a friend of Dave's. Not to take anything away from Jeremy's family or anything like that but that accident destroyed two lives and two families. Dave has his own family that now has to deal with this and I'm sure it's pretty much destroyed it, and Dave himself, and his career. I think and pray for both families daily. I can't imagine the pain.
Amen.
 

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I just had Immortal pop up in one of my FB memories and realized his page was gone, so I came here for an update. Horrible situation. I agree with jeepfreak81.
 

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Has anyone heard from Dave? Everytime I use the torpedo heater i bought from him I remember how nice of a guy he is. Him and Jeremy both bought cars from me. Jeremy was a super cool dude in person too. I know his earliest release date was this year. Just curious.
 

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Yup, 6-12-22 is the earliest release date. I hope he is doing alright and can get and try to recover from this horrible situation. :(
 
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Same here, I know they where close friends
 

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Fuck Dave.

I feel bad for his family, but he is the one who decided to drive absolutely beyond piss drunk that night, just like he had many other nights.

Jeremy actually wanted to make plans to hang out that Friday too, I'm sad I didn't because he would probably still be here if I had.

I cried like a baby at Jeremy's funeral. We were close friends, not a day went by where we didn't talk to each other.
 

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Fuck Dave.

I feel bad for his family, but he is the one who decided to drive absolutely beyond piss drunk that night, just like he had many other nights.

Jeremy actually wanted to make plans to hang out that Friday too, I'm sad I didn't because he would probably still be here if I had.

I cried like a baby at Jeremy's funeral. We were close friends, not a day went by where we didn't talk to each other.
But Jeremy got into the vehicle knowing Dave was drunk right? How many times had Jeremy drove drunk with Dave as the passenger? Maybe never, I didn't know either personally. But if you are drinking together, and someone drives, the other person knows the risk.
 

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But Jeremy got into the vehicle knowing Dave was drunk right? How many times had Jeremy drove drunk with Dave as the passenger? Maybe never, I didn't know either personally. But if you are drinking together, and someone drives, the other person knows the risk.
It was commonplace in the past for them to get hammered and drive home. Doesnt make it right. Especially since Dave begged Jeremy to come out and drink with him that night.

This accident happened outside the place they both worked, and if I remember right the skid marks looked like Dave was trying to do doughnuts and tapped the curb. So it's not like it was just a mistake that happened while he was driving normally.


The problem also comes in to where the judge asked Dave if he had an alcohol problem ever in the past THREE FUCKING TIMES to throw the guy a bone and reduce his sentence with AA/parole and he lied bold faced and said no to the judge every time he asked.
So the judge slapped him with time. Mind you this is after everyone that is important in his life came out and gave statements to say he made a mistake and is honest, and he just betrayed all of them and wasted their time because he didn't want to admit he is an alcoholic.

So yeah, fuck Dave.
 
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