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Old February 26th, 2019, 02:47 PM   #21
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Not to mention how we got most of the scientific community to go along with the idea.
Repeat a lie often enough and people will start to believe it. There are thousands of scientists that do not go along with the whole globalwarmingclimatechangeiceage hoax.
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Repeat a lie often enough and people will start to believe it. There are thousands of scientists that do not go along with the whole globalwarmingclimatechangeiceage hoax.
And probably millions that do.
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It would probably take a lot of keystrokes to articulate the arrogance greenies have to think they can hold climate static.
Not to mention how we got most of the scientific community to go along with the idea.
I want to be clear, I'm not saying there's a hoax.

I'm saying if it's true, it's hardly the end of life. And there's fukc all anyone can do to stop it.
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I want to be clear, I'm not saying there's a hoax.

I'm saying if it's true, it's hardly the end of life. And there's fukc all anyone can do to stop it.
This.

I don't doubt the climate is changing, and 7 billion people exhaling CO2 probably has an effect, but I think it's pretty arrogant to propose we can stop or reverse it.
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I don't doubt the climate is changing, and 7 billion people exhaling CO2 probably has an effect, but I think it's pretty arrogant to propose we can stop or reverse it.
Right, I mean never mind that human breathing accounts for less than 10% of the total release, and that all of that came from plants that pulled it out of the air. We're all doomed.
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I don't doubt the climate is changing, and 7 billion people exhaling CO2 probably has an effect, but I think it's pretty arrogant to propose we can stop or reverse it.
Have you ever looked at the percentage of C02 in our atmosphere? It's less than 1/10th of 1 percent. It's a trace element. I don't buy the CO2 thing.

Also, we talk about what HUMANS exhale, what about the billions of animals that no longer exist on this planet? I'm not so sure that the increase in human population has not done anything more than offset the vast herds that no longer roam North America, Africa and elsewhere. I'm pretty sure a 500 pound buffalo puts out more than a grown man.
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Have you ever looked at the percentage of C02 in our atmosphere? It's less than 1/10th of 1 percent. It's a trace element. I don't buy the CO2 thing.

Also, we talk about what HUMANS exhale, what about the billions of animals that no longer exist on this planet? I'm not so sure that the increase in human population has not done anything more than offset the vast herds that no longer roam North America, Africa and elsewhere. I'm pretty sure a 500 pound buffalo puts out more than a grown man.
Pretty much all of the carbon that gets exhaled by all of those animals came from plants that pulled the carbon out of the air, so the system was in balance. But then along comes modern man, digging carbon out of the ground, burning it, and releasing it into the atmosphere.

But like I said, I'm wasting my time writing this. If you don't believe the majority of scientists, there's nothing I can say to change your mind.

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Pretty much all of the carbon that gets exhaled by all of those animals came from plants that pulled the carbon out of the air, so the system was in balance. But then along comes modern man, digging carbon out of the ground, burning it, and releasing it into the atmosphere.

But like I said, I'm wasting my time writing this. If you don't believe the majority of scientists, there's nothing I can say to change your mind.

Burn on.
Remember how grandma would say that talking to your plants helps them grow?
Plants thrive on carbon. Greenhouse growers use carbon producing machines to increase growth.
Carbon is not our enemy.
As for the millions of scientists that say man is causing the earthly weather problems, We need to remember how they were caught fudging the numbers also. They need money to study the weather and if they convince the governments that there is a problem then they can get more money.
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Right, I mean never mind that human breathing accounts for less than 10% of the total release, and that all of that came from plants that pulled it out of the air. We're all doomed.
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Remember how grandma would say that talking to your plants helps them grow?
Plants thrive on carbon. Greenhouse growers use carbon producing machines to increase growth.
Carbon is not our enemy.
As for the millions of scientists that say man is causing the earthly weather problems, We need to remember how they were caught fudging the numbers also. They need money to study the weather and if they convince the governments that there is a problem then they can get more money.
So what about the millions of acres of forest that are destroyed to build our buildings? There less plants and more CO2 production there ever has been. I don't agree that the world is going to end in 20 years, but if we as a species keep destroying the forsest as we do, and keep paving over flora and fauna, it will destroy of habitat in a couple generations.

That is not conjecture, that is simple numbers. When I see someone say "it's a hoax" to me that means they're not going to do anything to even to to lower the amount of pollution in our world. Which is just sad, really.
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So what about the millions of acres of forest that are destroyed to build our buildings? There less plants and more CO2 production there ever has been. I don't agree that the world is going to end in 20 years, but if we as a species keep destroying the forsest as we do, and keep paving over flora and fauna, it will destroy of habitat in a couple generations.

That is not conjecture, that is simple numbers. When I see someone say "it's a hoax" to me that means they're not going to do anything to even to to lower the amount of pollution in our world. Which is just sad, really.
I read a statistic once that the green belt of forest surrounding the North pole is large enough to process all the CO2 produced by man.

Look it up yourself, the percentage of CO2 in our atmosphere is a trace element.
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So what about the millions of acres of forest that are destroyed to build our buildings? There less plants and more CO2 production there ever has been. I don't agree that the world is going to end in 20 years, but if we as a species keep destroying the forsest as we do, and keep paving over flora and fauna, it will destroy of habitat in a couple generations.

That is not conjecture, that is simple numbers. When I see someone say "it's a hoax" to me that means they're not going to do anything to even to to lower the amount of pollution in our world. Which is just sad, really.
Well put. It's ridiculous to claim that humans aren't having an influence on global warming and countless other changes to the planet. Industrialization, deforestation, you name it. All the factories, all the chemicals and plastics, all the technology and production isn't exactly eco-friendly. CO2 is one small piece of the puzzle. Are we the only cause of climate change? Hell no. But is it one of many areas we should give some attention to being more responsible in order to help do our part to preserve this big ass rock we call home? Hell yes. I can't for the life of me understand why people aren't willing to help be responsible consumers across the board. It's not political, it's personal responsibility.

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I read a statistic once that the green belt of forest surrounding the North pole is large enough to process all the CO2 produced by man.

Look it up yourself, the percentage of CO2 in our atmosphere is a trace element.
So what. The scientists know that, but they still predict many negative effects.
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Well put. It's ridiculous to claim that humans aren't having an influence on global warming and countless other changes to the planet. Industrialization, deforestation, you name it. All the factories, all the chemicals and plastics, all the technology and production isn't exactly eco-friendly. CO2 is one small piece of the puzzle. Are we the only cause of climate change? Hell no. But is it one of many areas we should give some attention to being more responsible in order to help do our preserve this big ass rock we call home? Hell yes. I can't for the life of me understand why people aren't willing to help be responsible consumers across the board. It's not political, it's personal responsibility.
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Well put. It's ridiculous to claim that humans aren't having an influence on global warming and countless other changes to the planet. Industrialization, deforestation, you name it. All the factories, all the chemicals and plastics, all the technology and production isn't exactly eco-friendly. CO2 is one small piece of the puzzle. Are we the only cause of climate change? Hell no. But is it one of many areas we should give some attention to being more responsible in order to help do our preserve this big ass rock we call home? Hell yes. I can't for the life of me understand why people aren't willing to help be responsible consumers across the board. It's not political, it's personal responsibility.
This I agree with. I don’t think I’ve ever said it is a hoax. I’ve simply pointed out that I don’t believe that it’s all CO2 based. Those numbers don’t make sense to me.

Do I think that humans are affecting the climate? Yes. But I also believe the planet has been warming for thousands of years and we have very little data to understand how much it has ebbed and flowed a couple of degrees.

I am far more worried about pollution than temps.
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Well put. It's ridiculous to claim that humans aren't having an influence on global warming and countless other changes to the planet. Industrialization, deforestation, you name it. All the factories, all the chemicals and plastics, all the technology and production isn't exactly eco-friendly. CO2 is one small piece of the puzzle. Are we the only cause of climate change? Hell no. But is it one of many areas we should give some attention to being more responsible in order to help do our preserve this big ass rock we call home? Hell yes. I can't for the life of me understand why people aren't willing to help be responsible consumers across the board. It's not political, it's personal responsibility.
Because no one can answer my simple question of what does it matter.

I'm not advocating dumping mercury into rivers, nor am I claiming a hoax.

I just want to know what the real impact really is, that hasn't happened all throughout history regardless. Then I want to know what people are legitimately proposing to do about it.

As in, what do you think, with the current level of technology available, you can possible do to make a fart in a hurricanes difference against the fact that China consumes more coal than anyone else by a factor of 5. Ban cheeseburgers?

Once we have all our climate engineering options laid on the table, lets explore the cost of implementing them vs the cost of doing nothing.

That's a conversation. Just making shit up about how we'll be dead in ten years is nonsense.
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This I agree with. I donít think Iíve ever said it is a hoax. Iíve simply pointed out that I donít believe that itís all CO2 based. Those numbers donít make sense to me.

Do I think that humans are affecting the climate? Yes. But I also believe the planet has been warming for thousands of years and we have very little data to understand how much it has ebbed and flowed a couple of degrees.

I am far more worried about pollution than temps.
I was referring to pollution more than temps, but I believe that temperature change is a major symptom of the amount of pollution. Not just co2 but all green-house gasses that are not normally produced in mass quantities. It's basically the entire mindset of gas emissions and pollution in general.

My biggest concern is the deforestation. I do my share of cutting down trees, but I cut with sustenance in mind. which tress can be culled cause they're a hindrance to other floral growth, and which ones are helping. I may not be a genius at it, but I try.
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Because no one can answer my simple question of what does it matter.

I'm not advocating dumping mercury into rivers, nor am I claiming a hoax.

I just want to know what the real impact really is, that hasn't happened all throughout history regardless. Then I want to know what people are legitimately proposing to do about it.

As in, what do you think, with the current level of technology available, you can possible do to make a fart in a hurricanes difference against the fact that China consumes more coal than anyone else by a factor of 5. Ban cheeseburgers?

Once we have all our climate engineering options laid on the table, lets explore the cost of implementing them vs the cost of doing nothing.

That's a conversation. Just making shit up about how we'll be dead in ten years is nonsense.
The cost of implementing them is inifitiely cheaper than the cost of doing nothing. Don't even need to know the actual cost, because it doesn't matter.

The cost of doing nothing is we ruin this planet. As I said, it wont be in our lifetimes, nor our grandchildren's lifetimes. All this stuff is not a problem that just happens overnight, it just doesn't show up. it happens over generations, and the planet slowly looses this species of plant, this species of animal, then another, and another. The planet changes, but it's always changed with something else taking it's place that provides a different necessity.

Human's destroy and cover with concrete at a rate far beyond natural evolution and destruction. It's a discussion of would it happen if we didn't, yes it would. The difference is the rate that human's make it happen, that the resources and environment cannot compensate for.

Just as it wont be a major problem for generations, means that it doesn't need to be a solution tomorrow. Small changes now, then a little more, then a little more, one here, one there, everyone doing a small thing, is what makes a change for the better. To deny responsibility because you don't know a real number is just asinine to me, just like saying what the actual impact. It does not matter what the impact it, the fact that there is one at all is enough to effect changes for the better.
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