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Old March 27th, 2020, 01:39 PM   #1
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So with fuel prices being pretty low right now I'm considering purchasing a bulk fuel tank to house on my property and use for personal use. I'm having a bit of difficulty finding specifics on the process though and figured one of you may have done something similar. So a few questions...

What size would you recommend?

Are their any pesky regulations/processes that I should be aware of?

Will be used for on road diesel only, what's the longevity of diesel in a storage container like this?

Does anyone have a connection on where to get the tank?

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Home heating oil tank would work, but doesn't diesel attract moisture?
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Home heating oil tank would work, but doesn't diesel attract moisture?
Yeah, definitely would need a water fuel separator setup and to treat the tank. I got quoted $1.40 a gallon, plus .09 a gallon for road tax, and the 6% sales tax. So.... $1.58 a gallon ish? Saving a buck a gallon seems worth it, but I only probably use around 1200-1400 gallons a year

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Yeah, definitely would need a water fuel separator setup and to treat the tank. I got quoted $1.40 a gallon, plus .09 a gallon for road tax, and the 6% sales tax. So.... $1.58 a gallon ish? Saving a buck a gallon seems worth it, but I only probably use around 1200-1400 gallons a year

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Serously?!?!?! I see diesel around me for like $2.75. At that point I'd just drop a 100 gal bulk tank in the truck and swing on by their depot. I've stopped driving mine at this point because 16mpg at $2.75 doesn't beat 25mpg at $1.65.
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Serously?!?!?! I see diesel around me for like $2.75. At that point I'd just drop a 100 gal bulk tank in the truck and swing on by their depot. I've stopped driving mine at this point because 16mpg at $2.75 doesn't beat 25mpg at $1.65.
Yeah there's obviously a bulk discount. I don't think I'd get that price for 100 gallons. But I'm not sure if the costs are going to negate the savings. If I can't break even in a couple of years it doesn't make too much sense

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A lot of fuel delivery services will provide you with a tank and pump for free or small rental fee, at least my local one does, if not the heating oil tank works fine, just got to your Autoparts store and buy 2-3 of the diesel fuel treatment bottles and dump it in the tank before they fill it, I done this when I was getting it for a buck a gallon and never had any issues , you can go to harbor freight and get a electric pump system pretty cheap and just make your own filter/water separator. Iíve ran over a 1000 gallons through mine without issue. And for the record heating oil is off road diesel fuel
I stored fuel one year in those big 275 gallon metal cage totes you can get really cheap, had no water issues but I ran it in my furnace not a vehicle so quality wasnít a huge issue.
Iíd call and ask about a loaner tank


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Most delivery companies will deliver oil or gas for free if you buy 175 gallons worth.

Last week I called Corrigan and they were selling #2 heating oil for $2.49/gallon. The local pump is selling onroad (undyed, road taxed) #2 diesel for $2.59. Between my rewards card and my credit card reward points I came out way ahead by filling my tank 30 gallons at a time with kerosene cans and I kept the State of Michigan happy by paying road tax to heat my house. Where are you guys getting it less?

If you're going to store it and it will never be on the road... and it's diesel... you can put it in pretty much anything as long as you label it.

The common oval tanks for home heating oil work fine. They're certified for it but not all are certified for outdoor use. They hold 275 gallons.

Next common size up is a small round one and it is 300 gallons. Usually see these on stilts for gravity feed. Next common size up is 500 gallons, it's about 4' in diameter and 5.5' long, and usually is not on stilts.

For $50 you can get a new cast hand rotary vane pump that can pump 10 gallons every couple minutes. Or buy a used 12vdc or 120vac pump and handle designed for it for $100-500. Garbage new ones are $200, fancy new ones are $700.

If you seal it up well diesel lasts pretty much forever if it is fairly temperature stable (no direct sunlight on the tank, metal tank). The problem is sealing it well affordably yet still keeping with the law.

The cheapest way to get a small tank is on Facespace Marketfarce. Craigslist and auctions are a good way to get old farm tanks.

If the tanks have ever had dye in them, it's a PITA to get it out so if you ever get checked by MSP or MDOT you'll probably get a nice fine.

I have a 500 gallon tank I have on a trailer. Been empty for a few years, been meaning to roll it over so I can repaint it then get it filled. Maybe if I can get a delivery as cheap as you guys are talking about... I'll do that here pretty quick. I heat with oil as a secondary and the generator runs on it. Between those we can burn through it super fast.

I'd really like to get gasoline delivered but the boss lady won't let me. I'm also not sure how homeowner's insurance is about that. I know that mine doesn't care as long as none of the tanks that aren't used to heat the house aren't in the house OR buried. I may have 55 gallon former oil drums with other stuff in them...

Long story short: go buy a former farm tank. Normal price for a good serviceable one is $1/gallon.
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This is what I use. Held up very well. Iíve pumped 250 gallons at once with it https://www.harborfreight.com/12-vol...ump-66784.html


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I don’t understand why here in Muskegon diesel is about $2.59 and 30 minutes north in pentwater it’s $1.59 ? It was worth the drive just to fill the truck and bunch of cans for the front end loader
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Just to clarify, the quote I got was for on road diesel. Still looking into what a tank would cost. I'm seeing $1700 ish for a new 500 gallon tank and $2700 for a 1000 gallon. Plus $800 or so for the pump, vent, etc.

Which would put my break even point at about three to five years before I begin to recoup the initial investment.

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I would check with some hvac guys. Especially if you have any buddies that do it for a living. One of my buddies has a pile of 500 gallon fuel oil tanks that he’s removed when installing new natural gas furnaces. I just cut one up a month ago for a maple syrup evaporator. He’s happy to give them away just to get rid of them
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Don't buy a new one, buy a used one. It is literally a welded steel container.

There is/was a guy up in the middle of the state that was selling dozens of them. I almost went and got some but my wife would kill me.

This one even has a placard on it:
https://monroemi.craigslist.org/grd/...090518586.html
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Found it:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...2772658739717/
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That makes things a lot cheaper...

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My boat holds 200 gallons......and it’s empty......After seeing how much gas prices have dropped..... I wonder how “essential” the trip to the gas station will look to the UP cops when I pass them with a 38’ cigarette boat in tow when there is still 1’ of snow on the ground🤣🤣🤣🤣

But seriously, I bought a transfer tank and pump today for my truck. I am planning on having some sort of bulk fuel storage at home, mainly for the boat and hot rods, and when I can’t swing full tank fills use a smaller transfer tank on my truck to keep it topped off.
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I have found construction/equipment companies that are selling used bulk storage tanks on Craigslist, most were 500 gallon +
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I have found construction/equipment companies that are selling used bulk storage tanks on Craigslist, most were 500 gallon +
There's a 1000 gallon tank in grand ledge right now but he wants $2K for it... Mehhhh

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