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Old March 26th, 2020, 11:44 AM   #301
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Q: Do I need to carry credentials or any paperwork that indicates Iíve been designated a critical infrastructure employee or to travel to and from my home or residence?

A: No, there is not a requirement under Executive Order 2020-21 to carry credentials or paperwork with you under any circumstance.

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With all the exceptions I'd like to know how the hell the fine and misdemeanor are enforceable.
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With all the exceptions I'd like to know how the hell the fine and misdemeanor are enforceable.
They're not... People just want to create panic so it's always a "my friend heard" or "an article said they were doing the thing"

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You're allowed to buy fuel and things, so I doubt you would get fined.

It's kind of iffy to carry more than 10 gallons in unaffixed containers and past iffy to use them on modified cans (not certified once you replace the Florida nozzle with a standard one)... and definitely not good if you are using containers that haven't been certified in the last 5 years.

So having 6-10 5+gal containers in the back of your truck loose that are all older than 5 years and all have modified nozzles... yeap.
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I hate the new fucking nozzles!
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It's kind of iffy to carry more than 10 gallons in unaffixed containers and past iffy to use them on modified cans (not certified once you replace the Florida nozzle with a standard one)... and definitely not good if you are using containers that haven't been certified in the last 5 years.

So having 6-10 5+gal containers in the back of your truck loose that are all older than 5 years and all have modified nozzles... yeap.
That's what tonneau covers are for. I don't see any cop harassing you about the age of your gas can or nozzle unless you have commercial tags. Quantity yes maybe, they might think you're headed to a riot

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That's what tonneau covers are for. I don't see any cop harassing you about the age of your gas can or nozzle unless you have commercial tags. Quantity yes maybe, they might think you're headed to a riot
There are so many other problems with the world today your cans are not even close to being on the list.




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The new push button ones are nice, great for mowers and saws and stuff. Not cheap though


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Been picking up extra hours at work, there's always stuff for an electrician to do.

I'm socially distant normally, and stores close early here anyway, so this has had minimal impact on my life.
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That's what tonneau covers are for. I don't see any cop harassing you about the age of your gas can or nozzle unless you have commercial tags. Quantity yes maybe, they might think you're headed to a riot
Yeah, I don't have a granpappy cover. Working on the gray hair and already have the Get Off My Lawn attitude.

I have enough unapproved gas cans that are actually red to get to California and most of the way back. Definitely more than enough to fill up the bed of a pickup.

When I lived in Dayoop I used to drive down to Baraga and fill up a gaggle of gas cans at the indian station. One time I got pulled over solely for my gas cans by a state police officer and that's when I learned of the law. I ended up having a couple friends drive down and give them the gas otherwise I was going to get fined. After that I kept them in a toolbox in the back of my truck so they had to search my vehicle. I don't have a toolbox big enough for my cans for my current truck.
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Yeah, I don't have a granpappy cover. Working on the gray hair and already have the Get Off My Lawn attitude.

I have enough unapproved gas cans that are actually red to get to California and most of the way back. Definitely more than enough to fill up the bed of a pickup.

When I lived in Dayoop I used to drive down to Baraga and fill up a gaggle of gas cans at the indian station. One time I got pulled over solely for my gas cans by a state police officer and that's when I learned of the law. I ended up having a couple friends drive down and give them the gas otherwise I was going to get fined. After that I kept them in a toolbox in the back of my truck so they had to search my vehicle. I don't have a toolbox big enough for my cans for my current truck.
Since when did having a tonneau cover to keep items hidden and dry make someone an old man?

Sounds like the police in the UP don't have much to do.
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Blue tarp?
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Seems like good info

Some useful information and helpful tips from Johns Hopkins University. VERY USEFUL

* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.

* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.

* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).

By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.

* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.

* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.

* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.

* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.

* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.

* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
-between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
-4 hours (copper and wood)
-24 hours (cardboard),
- 42 hours (metal) and
-72 hours (plastic).

But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.

* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.

They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.

* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.

* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.

* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.

* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.

* LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.

* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.

* You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.

* You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.

* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
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Seems like good info

Some useful information and helpful tips from Johns Hopkins University. VERY USEFUL

* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.

* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.

* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).

By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.

* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.

* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.

* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.

* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.

* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.

* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
-between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
-4 hours (copper and wood)
-24 hours (cardboard),
- 42 hours (metal) and
-72 hours (plastic).

But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.

* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.

They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.

* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.

* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.

* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.

* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.

* LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.

* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.

* You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.

* You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.

* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
Excellent Info
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Since when did having a tonneau cover to keep items hidden and dry make someone an old man?

Sounds like the police in the UP don't have much to do.
I drive a grandpa grocery getter as a truck, not a grandpa grocery getter to get groceries. People with a tonneau cover, especially a 1/2/3 piece hard top, usually don't actually use their truck as a truck.

I tried one once. It was faster for me to grab my toolbox out of the shed and bolt it down in the rare events I needed secure storage space in the back of my truck than the billion times I had to take the tonneau off or climb in to fish something out that slid past the barrier I made at the wheelwells.

Might as well just get a topper.

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They'd probably pull me over assuming I had dead bodies under it.
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I prefer a full topper over my tri fold but it doesn't work so well with a 5th wheel or goose neck.
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I prefer an open bed. The topper is a pain in the ass when you need to climb into the bed or when you go to pick something up that is always 1/4" taller that the topper.
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I use a tri fold for the same reason Jim does, need to access the fifth wheel/goose neck. It works well for what I need it to do.

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That's what tonneau covers are for. I don't see any cop harassing you about the age of your gas can or nozzle unless you have commercial tags. Quantity yes maybe, they might think you're headed to a riot <a href="https://www.greatlakes4x4.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif" border="0" alt="" title="laugh" >:-)</a>
Yeah, I don't have a granpappy cover. Working on the gray hair and already have the Get Off My Lawn attitude.

I have enough unapproved gas cans that are actually red to get to California and most of the way back. Definitely more than enough to fill up the bed of a pickup.

When I lived in Dayoop I used to drive down to Baraga and fill up a gaggle of gas cans at the indian station. One time I got pulled over solely for my gas cans by a state police officer and that's when I learned of the law. I ended up having a couple friends drive down and give them the gas otherwise I was going to get fined. After that I kept them in a toolbox in the back of my truck so they had to search my vehicle. I don't have a toolbox big enough for my cans for my current truck.
Everytime I run past baraga I bring all my extra cans and make sure then truck is empty when I pull in!
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I drive a grandpa grocery getter as a truck, not a grandpa grocery getter to get groceries. People with a tonneau cover, especially a 1/2/3 piece hard top, usually don't actually use their truck as a truck.

I tried one once. It was faster for me to grab my toolbox out of the shed and bolt it down in the rare events I needed secure storage space in the back of my truck than the billion times I had to take the tonneau off or climb in to fish something out that slid past the barrier I made at the wheelwells.

Might as well just get a topper.



They'd probably pull me over assuming I had dead bodies under it.
I live in the woods, I like tonneau covers because they keep all the leaves and pine needles and shit out that rot the bed. Takes me 5 minutes to totally remove, or 2 minutes top open it. My fuel cans fit under it.

Back on topic though, my wife has her first stage of equipment online as of Thursday, sadly she got called in for an unexpected all nighter.
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