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Old November 19th, 2019, 09:26 AM   #1
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Hey all, just joined as you can see. I had heard that there is a Jeep mod/repair shop in pinckney but don't have the # or name. If anyone has it i would really appreciate it or if you have another recommendation i could use that too.

Not a Jeep guy but the girlfriend is. 2008 Wrangler. It's got the steering shimmy. I think its a 3 inch lift done quite a few years ago. we are in desperation mode. Been to 3 shops, 2 alignments, tires rotated, track bar replaced, tie rods replace, replaced ball joints, shocks, adjusted the steering box. when i adjusted the steering box it seemed to have stopped for several months and now its back with vengeance. Obviously have a ton of $$$ into this problem and am at square 1 again.

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Old November 19th, 2019, 09:36 AM   #2
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Hey all, just joined as you can see. I had heard that there is a Jeep mod/repair shop in pinckney but don't have the # or name. If anyone has it i would really appreciate it or if you have another recommendation i could use that too.



Not a Jeep guy but the girlfriend is. 2008 Wrangler. It's got the steering shimmy. I think its a 3 inch lift done quite a few years ago. we are in desperation mode. Been to 3 shops, 2 alignments, tires rotated, track bar replaced, tie rods replace, replaced ball joints, shocks, adjusted the steering box. when i adjusted the steering box it seemed to have stopped for several months and now its back with vengeance. Obviously have a ton of $$$ into this problem and am at square 1 again.



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Make sure your caster is set properly. If you tighten the steering box and then it has came back it could point to steering box, but then again the tighter box could have just masked other issues. With my Jk I had to do teraflex balljoints and a PSC box to eliminate DW. Really itís whatever in your front suspension has play, my jk is super picky about it. If you donít have enough mechanical experience yourself that really sucks as even the best shops in my area were never able to solve it until I went through the long process myself. We have two shops in fenton which are around 40 minutes from pickney, AMW4x4 and Unlimited offroad. Both with charge you loads, but you might not have another choice.


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Old November 19th, 2019, 09:53 AM   #3
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I had to weld a washer on on the track bar axle mount hole on my wife's 2008 wrangler because the factory one was ovaled out. No more shimmy or death wobble after that

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Old November 19th, 2019, 09:57 AM   #4
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Is the "shimmy" that it has so bad that the first time it happened you nearly needed to change your shorts and expected to see parts in the road behind you? If so what you have is generally refereed to as death wobble.

My guess is that by adjusting the steering box you managed to squeeze a a little more life out of it but maybe it's time to replace it.
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Thanks for reply's

I've only been in the car when it did it one time, this morning, as passenger, and it did it twice. was driving next to her another time and could see the wheels bouncing.

shimmy, death wobble, not sure. It sure is scary either way when doing 70 in morning traffic and you have to slow to below 50 to get it to stop all the while the people behind you are up your @@@ hazard lights be damned.

shakes pretty hard, understood that death wobble just about breaks your arms. not sure its that bad but either way it's not safe, very scary, and needs to be fixed.

I have done all the part replacements myself but all told we're probably creeping up on $1k total. I don't want to replace anymore parts hoping it fixes it. I need to find THE problem and replace it or have someone else do it. Just incredibly frustrating to take it to Jeep mod shop and tell us everything is tight but need alignment - and it still happens. This has been going on for over a year. I'm so freakin over it!!!!
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I had to weld a washer on on the track bar axle mount hole on my wife's 2008 wrangler because the factory one was ovaled out. No more shimmy or death wobble after that

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on the inside of the bracket? I don't see any wear/shiny area on outside of the bracket that would indicate it's moving. Getting the torque on that bolt is a mutha on the floor in garage.
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on the inside of the bracket? I don't see any wear/shiny area on outside of the bracket that would indicate it's moving. Getting the torque on that bolt is a mutha on the floor in garage.
I welded one on the front of the bracket. Have someone turn your steering wheel side to side quickly while your up front checking joints. Steering, track bar, and ball joints all could be the culprit. You should be able to narrow down what joint is sloppy that way.

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Scott's Mobile Farm Maint is in Fowlerville, and I've used him for various small jeep projects including exhaust work.

But for alignment work, I'd recommend Kovach's Frame since they have a full alignment setup and do work on lifted 4x4s.

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You can mark bolt heads and where they mesh to a bracket with a sharpie and see if after a drive or after the shimmie if the bolt has changed position. Bleepinjeep has some good videos on YouTube about that.

Take a prybar and see if you can get movement out of arms at the bushings or the track bar. Make sure all the brackets for arms and track bar donít have any stress cracks.

Lift up the tires on either side and try to move them in and out on the top and bottom of the tire, not left and right. If it moves in or out camber wise or clunks like that youíve got bad balljoints, if itís lifted Iíd go with Teraflex.

Also get someone to get in the jeep and have them turn the steering wheel back and forth, unlocked but not running. have them wiggle the wheel back and forth pretty quick moving only an inch or two either way, enough so the box starts to engage the tires moving doesnít need to move them but put force on them like itís turning. As theyíre wiggling the wheel go under with a flashlight and listen for clunks in the steering box and/or steering, see if the box is moving off of the frame, any arms are moving or if the track bar is moving. Anything with play can be a cause to deathwobble.

My guess is the steering box, it will probably clunk and you can probably say thatís shot. If itís lifted and/or has bigger tires donít buy an auto parts store box, theyíre all remanned garbage. I warrantied 4 before I finally ponied up for PSC.

Find anything loose and tighten it and anything worn down needs to be replaced. Could be bushing or like previous mentioned the bolt in the bracket could have worn down the bracket and be moving in the bracket, and thatís very hard to tell without removing the arm unless itís super bad. GL man keep us posted. If I wasnít 45 min away Iíd take a look for ya Iíve chased it with every lifted jeep Iíve owned. Itís a science to fix DW. Expensive as well


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Old November 19th, 2019, 05:34 PM   #10
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u might talk to kevin at jeepers creepers in wyandotte?
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Jack the front end up to where the tires are still just touching the ground. Check all the bushing, Still stock from the factory? Replace and not the stock ones from the auto parts store get polyurethane bushings. Factory linkage ? check for wear at the bolts for being ovaled out. Look at the steering dampener leaking replace. Missing add.
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Caster should be the first thing you check. easy and free if you know how to measure it. one of the alignment shops might have measured it. If it is close to zero (say 0-3 degrees) you're going to have problems over time regardless of how many parts you replace.

It was mentioned in the first reply.

I went through the ringer in the wife's old XJ and adding a couple degrees of caster resolved it instantly. Wish I hadn't have spent several hundred bucks replacing parts... It did get some upgrades that way too though
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Replace the dropped pitman arm with a standard stock one. I did that on my tj and it may be similar on yours. On that one it is not needed and messes up the steering geometry.

I did it on mine and the steering greatly improved. Do some google searches on TJ steering geometry death wobble and dropped pitman arm. 20 minute fix and then look up how to do an alignment with two small nails and a
tape measure. That should get you close.

Something to check out. See how much the drop is and have a look but your mileage may vary.

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Old November 22nd, 2019, 06:57 AM   #15
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Well, I'm in Pinckney, and don't know of a Jeep specific shop, other that the dealership.

A lot of places do not know how to set up steering after a lift. If you check out Dr. Deathwobble on you tube he can explain exactly what you need to look for. His shop is Kens Kar Kare outside Lansing.

Probably the closest off road shop near Pinckney would be Unlimited Off Road Center in Fenton, they got some good guys there that know what they are doing as well.

Some basics after a lift and bigger tires, Max Caster and Min Toe IN, track bar and drag link on same plane and near same length, rear track bar relocation will help roll center. That's just for starters.
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Caster should be the first thing you check. easy and free if you know how to measure it. one of the alignment shops might have measured it. If it is close to zero (say 0-3 degrees) you're going to have problems over time regardless of how many parts you replace.

It was mentioned in the first reply.


I went through the ringer in the wife's old XJ and adding a couple degrees of caster resolved it instantly. Wish I hadn't have spent several hundred bucks replacing parts... It did get some upgrades that way too though
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thanks for responses. will check the caster. Really tired of "messing" with this. 4 months, didnt do it for 4 months, now its everytime you drive highway.
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all i've read says sway bar links arent the cause. says you can drive without sway bar. the links are the only thing I can find that are bad
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I gots that same shimmy. Bad ball joint and worn bearings i reckon. Give it a good shake ensure its tight that be about right.
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