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Old August 23rd, 2019, 03:15 PM   #1781
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What weight is ATF? that is what Kyle M. was using?


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Old August 23rd, 2019, 03:50 PM   #1782
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I lose a little bit of oil pretty much every time I let the pressure out of my air shocks. Over my year and a half rebuild I switched my shocks over to 5wt fork oil and they ride way stiffer than I remember. Unfortunately I dont know what was in the before and there was barely any oil left when I changed to the fork oil

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Old August 24th, 2019, 09:24 AM   #1783
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It's 10w I believe, but moreover, it's cheaper than shock oil
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Old August 24th, 2019, 09:52 AM   #1784
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5 has been phasing out from Fox. 7 wt is standard now. Plus the guys out west swear by thicker oil for crawling. Not really sure why.
Maybe less prone to cause rebound/ wheelhop.
Just trying to figure out lighter weight oil and stiffer valving vs heavy oil and then loosening up the valving.
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Old August 24th, 2019, 10:19 AM   #1785
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Just trying to figure out lighter weight oil and stiffer valving vs heavy oil and then loosening up the valving.
I can’t answer that.

I had 5 wt oil in it and they told me I had too much rebound and at the same time recommended 10 wt oil.

My target path is;
1 all new seals/ wipers etc.
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3 start with a known oil volume ( everything I read says more oil is better)
4 experiment with valving

I got the new valving in today. I’ll run it down the road to see how it feels then Gonna be at R&V next weekend for a test run. (Sure wish there was a closer place to do testing )
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I'll be keeping an eye on this to tune my shocks as well. I ran with stock amounts years ago and it was a little harsh on road but performed well enough off road that it didn't bother me enough to experiment. I just ran my rig last weekend and 2 I have a known amount because I drained and refilled, the other 2 I don't. The 2 that I refilled I went with 50cc's less figuring I could add more easily without removing the shock and starting over. I need to wheel it more now to really be able to test and tune.

I found this thread when I was looking to tune just to get some ideas https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/#/topics/740068?page=1

I may drain all 4, start with maybe 100 cc's less and fill them with set amounts until I get what I like
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Old August 24th, 2019, 12:04 PM   #1787
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Your link no worky. Just takes me to a menu page.
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Old August 24th, 2019, 06:55 PM   #1788
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Weird, on my phone it works, on my computer, not so much lol

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Interesting. It's not in the budget at the moment, but I'm doing some reading here and there, not much on air shocks but ORI's VS Coilovers. But, what is the difference between and ORI and an air shock?
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Interesting. It's not in the budget at the moment, but I'm doing some reading here and there, not much on air shocks but ORI's VS Coilovers. But, what is the difference between and ORI and an air shock?
In short:

Other than changing fluid level, an ORI can be adjusted without tearing into it for most of the issues you'll run into and has an internal bump stop.

An Air shock just has a cusion of nitrogen above an oil filled shock


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I had 5 wt oil in it and they told me I had too much rebound and at the same time recommended 10 wt oil.
But they likely assumed that you were at "max" oil volume, so to adjust, they recommended heavier oil. But when you cracked them open you found that you were lower than you thought. By filling back to original level, you may already be moving in the right direction.


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My target path is;
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2 fresh oil
3 start with a known oil volume ( everything I read says more oil is better)
4 experiment with valving
I don't disagree with this; but I sense that you are chasing many things at once since you were low on 5wt and then moved to 10wt and then 7wt. But if you follow through, I'm guessing you will get where you want to go.

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Interesting. It's not in the budget at the moment, but I'm doing some reading here and there, not much on air shocks but ORI's VS Coilovers. But, what is the difference between and ORI and an air shock?
Biggest difference I know is that ORIs have 2 oil and nitrogen reservoirs. When I looked at ORIs, it seems like the cost was on par with Fox or King coilovers with springs; air shocks are much cheaper.
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Old August 27th, 2019, 10:01 AM   #1793
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But they likely assumed that you were at "max" oil volume, so to adjust, they recommended heavier oil. But when you cracked them open you found that you were lower than you thought. By filling back to original level, you may already be moving in the right direction.


I don't disagree with this; but I sense that you are chasing many things at once since you were low on 5wt and then moved to 10wt and then 7wt. But if you follow through, I'm guessing you will get where you want to go.
You are right on both counts. The biggest thing was to get a solid baseline, which I now have. I swapped out the valving over the weekend. Hoping for a road test tonight on a bumpy section of White Lake Rd and then off to R&V Saturday. Honestly, I am not expecting much change. To move one number on the valve stack for both compression and rebound, it ONLY changes ONE SHIM thickness by .002" on each stack. In my mind, for highway use and crawling, I don't expect any change in performance. I expect it to still be too stiff. But since Phil said small changes make big differences, I need to go slowly. That said, I suspect this is more true when blasting across the whoops at speed with a lot more inertia.
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Well took it for a ride last night. Definitely smoother than my stock TJ! LOL But I noticed an improvement in softer compression. Dumb thing is that I also went from my Iroks @ 10 psi to my Stickies @ 7 psi. So I think my test was inconclusive. However, I'll say I was satisfied with the compression. I was able to feel push back so I think another adjustment to the rebound is next. Also I didn't have my ride ht quite right. I'm trying to do all tests @ 4" exposed shock. My air pressure is a little low so I was around 3.75".

No changes are going to happen before R&V this weekend so we will see how it flexes.
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I reset my air pressure in my shocks and gave it a run Sunday. Seemed decent. Flexed out well in some washouts but is too early to say if I am satisfied. I suspect I am going to soften up my rebound more but not before a couple outings.

I also managed to grenade my rear Hi-9 Sunday. I didn't have any prior warning other than when I drove to the mine I heard a couple noises that I attributed to a rock in a caliper. Another noise, I checked to see if I had a broken caliper bolt. Other than that, nothing. Then I got in a nasty washout and flopped a couple times, managed to right myself with some throttle and then got stuck in another washout. I hammered my rear tires into a 2 ft hard packed dirt ledge for about 10 minutes. Finally got out and that's when it sounded like I had ice cubes in a blender. It was about 200-300 ft before I could get on level ground. I crawled underneath and my rear pinion was flopping around, seal was pushed out and it didn't look good. Pulled the rear driveshaft and had to drive it about a half mile to the trailer.

Turns out my 9" pinion support bearing failed which the pinion didn't like when doing HP assaults. (yes @Kyle M. I do occasionally )

Everything is toast except the Grizzly locker. So I ordered a new Hi-9 and it should be here today. I looked into going with a Gear Works 10" but they are not available in a 4.88 ratio but they claim they are coming out with it in 2020. So, it's run it for now and wait for the 10". Otherwise, I'm building a 14 bolt. This axle setup is perfect for a lighter weight buggy but it doesn't like a full body rig on stickies.
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