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Old April 6th, 2020, 03:33 PM   #421
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Yeah I don't have a problem with any of that. I typically have a lot of supplies on hand and picked up some more ~3 weeks ago when I saw that it was going to get bad. A well thought out, purposeful shopping trip at a slow time is fine. Going out at 3pm on a Saturday for a package of noodles and a 6 pack of beer is idiotic.



I want to support restaurants and get carry out, but frankly I'm too paranoid. They'll get plenty of my business when this is over, for now I'm not willing to put my family at risk for it. I get that it goes against the logic of helping the little guy when they need it most, but just not worth the admittedly low risk to me currently.





Yes, these are the kind of people who are the problem through and through. I wish the virus would just wipe out these morons and run its course, but they'll end up passing it along to innocent and careful people instead.
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Thanks I think. I'm not that crazy, I've still been out and about a few times, I'm just being really careful. I overthink everything, so this isn't much different. If my beer stash starts getting low maybe I'll call in a delivery. Bonus points if you can make it in through the woods out back
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Thanks I think. I'm not that crazy, I've still been out and about a few times, I'm just being really careful. I overthink everything, so this isn't much different. If my beer stash starts getting low maybe I'll call in a delivery. Bonus points if you can make it in through the woods out back
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Not sure how frequently this page will update, but looks from the chart about 1/2 down that we may be starting to flatten the curve of new cases:
https://www.mlive.com/news/2020/04/m...-michigan.html
And 1/4 of the way down the total case curve is looking linear, which of course it would with a flat in new cases. I won't be excited till the total case curve peaks, but progress is progress.

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Last four days or so we've maintained about a 1500 case increase. Keep in mind the hospitalization rate is only about 20%-25% and only about 6% end up in ICU beds. So be careful what you're reading about hospitals being at capacity, they may only be at capacity in one area (ICU beds for example) but be at half capacity in non critical care beds, but these are things the media isn't going to differentiate between.

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Last four days or so we've maintained about a 1500 case increase. Keep in mind the hospitalization rate is only about 20%-25% and only about 6% end up in ICU beds. So be careful what you're reading about hospitals being at capacity, they may only be at capacity in one area (ICU beds for example) but be at half capacity in non critical care beds, but these are things the media isn't going to differentiate between.

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Oh for sure, not saying all hospitals are at capacity. But certainly areas like Detroit, Wayne Co, Oakland Co are a shitshow and others are still getting worse too. I know enough nurses in my circle of friends and family to hear how bad it is in some areas. I don't believe even close to everything I see on the news, and like I said earlier, I've distanced myself from most of it. No matter how you look at it though, we're still very much on the upslope of this mess.
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No symptoms does not mean she didn't get it, it just means she didn't get symptoms. Big difference.
But how will we ever know? Did she get it or not? Was she a carrier or not? If we assume that every person who has been exposed to someone who was a carrier, is also infected and a carrier, then there are thousands of people out there walking around carrying the virus. If so, why isn't it worse? Some say that it has been here for months. Using the exponential growth concept, everybody should have already been exposed and has been a carrier. But we all know that's not true either.

We have to find a balance of common sense. I really don't know what that balance is. Everybody has a different opinion. Just now.......... 30 minutes ago we were chatting with our neighbors (from a safe distance) Here the woman is telling us we shouldn't be kayaking because of the risk to first responders, however, she is OK with bike riding. Is one more dangerous that the other. AND THEN................ they proceed to tell us how their 2 daughters are coming in tonight......... from where? FUCKING NEW YORK CITY! Why? Passover. I'm like YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! You are telling me I can't kayak all by myself but it's OK for your kid to come from FUCKING NEW YORK CITY!.

Anyway, back on topic, I have refused to go to the store for anything. I have to go to work and I'm extremely careful but I keep my distance from everyone. I can tell I'm more careful around the coffee pot, sink, bathroom, etc than many of my coworkers. My only stop is for gas when needed.

I am a believer that if the lock downs extend beyond April that small business's will start telling the governor to pound sand. Small business owners are going to lose everything and rebellion will set in. Being at a retirement age, I can't blame them. At my age, if I lose everything, I will never be able to recover.

I don't have all the answers but I don't believe paranoia is a good thing.

I have been keeping this page open. It updates every afternoon. Third chart down you can click on daily new cases and daily new deaths. We have had 3 days of pretty flat new cases but today was the worst in new deaths.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...-by-age-tests/

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But how will we ever know? Did she get it or not? Was she a carrier or not? If we assume that every person who has been exposed to someone who was a carrier, is also infected and a carrier, then there are thousands of people out there walking around carrying the virus. If so, why isn't it worse? Some say that it has been here for months. Using the exponential growth concept, everybody should have already been exposed and has been a carrier. But we all know that's not true either.
Sounds like they're working on antibody test kits that'll show whether or not people have had it already. I'm not saying just because she was exposed that she had it. I'm just saying that just because she didn't show symptoms doesn't mean she didn't have it. Not all exposures are infected and not all infected are symptomatic.

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We have to find a balance of common sense. I really don't know what that balance is. Everybody has a different opinion. Just now.......... 30 minutes ago we were chatting with our neighbors (from a safe distance) Here the woman is telling us we shouldn't be kayaking because of the risk to first responders, however, she is OK with bike riding. Is one more dangerous that the other. AND THEN................ they proceed to tell us how their 2 daughters are coming in tonight......... from where? FUCKING NEW YORK CITY! Why? Passover. I'm like YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! You are telling me I can't kayak all by myself but it's OK for your kid to come from FUCKING NEW YORK CITY!.
I agree, we need to find a balance. But just like us, it's pretty clear that the government has more questions than answers. They're trying to do the right thing for an even longer list of economical, political, health, and societal issues than us. They're learning as they go, so yeah the systems they're putting in place are flawed and have holes. It'll be an evolution as more is learned both about the virus and its effects and how society and the economy react. Today's answers aren't tomorrow's, let alone next month's. We won't know what the right answer was until we've gone through it and found what did and didn't work. I absolutely agree that some common sense changes can be done regardless, but many of them, like kayaking vs biking for example, are pretty low on the priority list.

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Anyway, back on topic, I have refused to go to the store for anything. I have to go to work and I'm extremely careful but I keep my distance from everyone. I can tell I'm more careful around the coffee pot, sink, bathroom, etc than many of my coworkers. My only stop is for gas when needed.

I am a believer that if the lock downs extend beyond April that small business's will start telling the governor to pound sand. Small business owners are going to lose everything and rebellion will set in. Being at a retirement age, I can't blame them. At my age, if I lose everything, I will never be able to recover.
I don't think a lockdown will extend as far as many are speculating. It can't. I don't know if it'll get reduced, or modified for certain areas, like for example reopen restaurants but limit quantities and increase distance between parties, open more normal businesses with better cleanliness and social distancing enforced, etc. But I think at this point they had to do something. Many hospitals in metropolitan areas are already overwhelmed and we're still pretty damn far from the peak of this thing. Sure, it's not as bad elsewhere, but that doesn't help in the bad areas.
This got ugly fast and the only way to stop a total meltdown of the healthcare system was to pump the brakes on society. Once the first wave is over with they'll start evaluating and planning, in many fronts they're probably already doing lots of that. I don't think they'll reopen the flood gates and go back to normal, I don't see how we could. Fact is, we still don't have vaccines or real treatments so isolation is still our only tool for now. Most of us are going to get this unless a cure or vaccine miraculously shows up in a month. Highly unlikely. 60-80% of the population seems to be the common prediction. The trick is to stop the flood all at once so the system doesn't get overwhelmed like it's starting to. The flood had already started so they built a dam that's barely holding the water back before some evaporates(ie, virus runs its course). Once the level gets back down they can open up the flow again with some restrictions. The first wave will create some marginal herd immunity. The gradual stream of more people getting it will build some more, but that stream will need to be controlled so it doesn't go crazy again. And as time goes on we'll learn more about the virus, how to prevent, how to treat, how to triage. Hopefully in a couple months we'll know enough that the fatality rate will be 1/10 what it is now. Hopefully in that time it won't mutate again and somehow make the fatality rate triple what it is now, or start killing our kids and pets, or any other possible horrible outcome.

It's going to be a delicate balance for quite a while. I don't expect to be in "lockdown" past maybe late May or mid June, but I expect restrictions and changes for the foreseeable future to keep this thing from starting to spike again. But most businesses will reopen and we can start being a society again on at least some level. It sucks and not every business or every infected person is going to survive this.

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I don't have all the answers but I don't believe paranoia is a good thing.

I have been keeping this page open. It updates every afternoon. Third chart down you can click on daily new cases and daily new deaths. We have had 3 days of pretty flat new cases but today was the worst in new deaths.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...-by-age-tests/
I agree paranoia is bad. But with a pandemic like this, I'd say ignorance is even more dangerous. If it only sickened and killed the ignorant and stupid I'd be thrilled. But any of us could just as easily die from someone else being an idiot. Or be out of a job and a life savings when this thing drags out longer from mass ignorance.

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Thank God we didn't have more old deaths. I don't have enough ammo stocked away for zombies.
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I don't unfriend on facebook- ever- but I'm reaaaalllly close with some of the conspiracy fucking nuts that are finding links between COVID and 5G.

This is the craziest shit I've seen in my almost 60 years on the planet, and facebook is NOT helping.
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I don't unfriend on facebook- ever- but I'm reaaaalllly close with some of the conspiracy fucking nuts that are finding links between COVID and 5G.

This is the craziest shit I've seen in my almost 60 years on the planet, and facebook is NOT helping.
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That is the big difference here some smell fear and desperation while others smell opportunity on the horizon. No one wants to see a love one lost to this shit but I would take 2 or 3 doses of 19 over the 5 year long battle my grandfather just lost to Dementia. As I explained it to my 8 year-old the other day there is a big difference between reacting to something and over-reacting to something, I see a lot of over-reacting all around us. Don't get me wrong I am not running around licking door knobs or taking ridiculous risk but I am not going to hide under the covers for the next 3 months either.


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This right here. I understand the need to distance from others, wear a mask in public places and wash your hands and clean hard surfaces to reduce the risk.
I can see this also a possibility where the cure is worse than the virus. This could all go south real bad and I hope and pray it don't.
Halfwhitmer is floating the idea to enforce a stay at home till mid June.
Oh hell no. We, as in the government need to start thinking about getting back to work.
Small businesses can survive a 3 to 4 week shut down but 6 to 8 weeks that would mean the business would be forced to shut down.


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This right here. I understand the need to distance from others, wear a mask in public places and wash your hands and clean hard surfaces to reduce the risk.
I can see this also a possibility where the cure is worse than the virus. This could all go south real bad and I hope and pray it don't.
Halfwhitmer is floating the idea to enforce a stay at home till mid June.
Oh hell no. We, as in the government need to start thinking about getting back to work.
Small businesses can survive a 3 to 4 week shut down but 6 to 8 weeks that would mean the business would be forced to shut down.

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So more people died during the spanish flu pandemic, so we should model our response after what was done then. Got it.
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Whitmere's request for mid June is NOT a shelter in place order till June.
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Whitmere's request for mid June is NOT a shelter in place order till June.
So many people are already spreading rumors about this, it's ridiculous. My wife's idiot cousin was doing it too, calling around saying rumor is Whitmer is going to extend the order another 70 days. I flipped out. I wish people could use their brains and do some critical thinking before they spread stupid rumors. A) they have no idea what is going to go on in 10 days, let alone 70. They'd never do that. B) Even if they had a clue, they wouldn't extend it that far out because it'd cause a panic. If anything they'll keep going a couple weeks at a time so people don't freak out.
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So many people are already spreading rumors about this, it's ridiculous. My wife's idiot cousin was doing it too, calling around saying rumor is Whitmer is going to extend the order another 70 days. I flipped out. I wish people could use their brains and do some critical thinking before they spread stupid rumors. A) they have no idea what is going to go on in 10 days, let alone 70. They'd never do that. B) Even if they had a clue, they wouldn't extend it that far out because it'd cause a panic. If anything they'll keep going a couple weeks at a time so people don't freak out.
I agree, and that's what they did. The stay home stay safe order now extends until the end of April.
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I agree, and that's what they did. The stay home stay safe order now extends until the end of April.
Actually no. As of now, it is still thru April 13th. The legislature just allowed her the power of state of emergency thru end of April. However, she has hinted that she will extend the stay at home order soon.

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Actually no. As of now, it is still thru April 13th. The legislature just allowed her the power of state of emergency thru end of April. However, she has hinted that she will extend the stay at home order soon.



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Actually no. As of now, it is still thru April 13th. The legislature just allowed her the power of state of emergency thru end of April. However, she has hinted that she will extend the stay at home order soon.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...tinue-to-rise/
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So more people died during the spanish flu pandemic, so we should model our response after what was done then. Got it.
I beleive you missed the pint or are intentionally missing it. We survived something more deadly that covid-19 but the media hype is making it out like this is the worst thing ever.
We will be fine after this has passed and it will come back this next cold and flu season. do we then shut everything down again? I think not.
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I beleive you missed the pint or are intentionally missing it. We survived something more deadly that covid-19 but the media hype is making it out like this is the worst thing ever.
We will be fine after this has passed and it will come back this next cold and flu season. do we then shut everything down again? I think not.
Glad to see your uncanny ability to focus in on one single detail of a matter and completely freaking ignore everything else has come through this unscathed. If you sold blinders for a living you'd be a millionaire.
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