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Old August 8th, 2008, 12:49 PM   #41
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Old August 8th, 2008, 01:13 PM   #42
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They don't have oil Dummy!!

So, once we rebuild Iraq can we then rebuild our schools and aging infrastructure? I love that 25% of american bridges are on the verge of failing.

I'm sure keeping us safe from the Iraq's sure helped the people that died when the bridge in MN collapsed.
Maybe we can use Iraq's $80,000,000,000 SURPLUS to help fix OUR bridges, roads, health care, homeless, starving, sick, etc. Maybe its time we kick every god damn illegal out of this country and tell them to enter the legal way and pay F'n taxes like the rest of us. Maybe its time we stop giving aid to every shit hole country that has a storm or flood and start fixing our own shit. Why is it every time another country has a crisis, we have to run to them with billions of dollars in aid. Screw that. They dont give two shits about us and most of them just as soon see us die anyways.
Iraq is not only a waste of money but a huge waste of time. No one will ever change those people, their beliefs and cultures. They will continue to kill each other till the end of days and us too if they can. Lot of good it did for the price of oil, $4 a F'n gallon. Bin Laden was never in Iraq. Bring the troops home and let that country rot. Secure OUR boarders and help our own. Send every worthless piece of shit illegal back to where they came from. Stop buying oil from the Saudies and drill for our own. Stop feeding the rest of the world with our crops. They'd let us starve if they could. Anyone bought a bushel of corn lately!!! Its 3 times the cost of what it was last year. Try feed your cattle, when your cost to do business just tripled. I could go on and on. This whole shit pile of a mess is a huge domino effect on all our wallets.
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Maybe we can use Iraq's $80,000,000,000 SURPLUS to help fix OUR bridges, roads, health care, homeless, starving, sick, etc. Maybe its time we kick every god damn illegal out of this country and tell them to enter the legal way and pay F'n taxes like the rest of us. Maybe its time we stop giving aid to every shit hole country that has a storm or flood and start fixing our own shit. Why is it every time another country has a crisis, we have to run to them with billions of dollars in aid. Screw that. They dont give two shits about us and most of them just as soon see us die anyways.
Iraq is not only a waste of money but a huge waste of time. No one will ever change those people, their beliefs and cultures. They will continue to kill each other till the end of days and us too if they can. Lot of good it did for the price of oil, $4 a F'n gallon. Bin Laden was never in Iraq. Bring the troops home and let that country rot. Secure OUR boarders and help our own. Send every worthless piece of shit illegal back to where they came from. Stop buying oil from the Saudies and drill for our own. Stop feeding the rest of the world with our crops. They'd let us starve if they could. Anyone bought a bushel of corn lately!!! Its 3 times the cost of what it was last year. Try feed your cattle, when your cost to do business just tripled. I could go on and on. This whole shit pile of a mess is a huge domino effect on all our wallets.
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Old August 9th, 2008, 05:37 PM   #44
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That is an answer I would expect from someone like Mr. Toes. No substance, no point to be made. I happen to work in the health care field, so I would say that I have a better handle on what goes on in a hospital than approximately 98% of this board. As such, I have first hand knowledge of the processes that are at work in our health care system. I dont expect a person who does not know how to speak or spell correctly to understand this type of thing.

To answer 87YJs question above, the main problem is uninsured patients. These people come to the hospy, and go to the ER because that is the ONLY place they can get care. That is why the average ER wait before being seen by a doctor is over 1 hour now. These patients cannot afford the treatment they receive (which is often just a cold or something of that nature, but they are too uneducated to know that before coming in) and do not pay. These costs are absorbed by the hospital which then has to pass those costs along to the paying patients therefore INFLATING PRICES. In addition, Medicare/aid does not pay the practitioner 100% of their bill, causing a loss for every doctor that accepts these patients. Doctors will stop accepting Medicare/aid patients at a certain critical mass that they decide is right for them.

Hows that for an intelligent answer based on facts Mr Kartracer?

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I never said universal health care was the answer, just that people who dont know how to spell wouldnt understand what is in the plan anyways.

Did you hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back???







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Old August 9th, 2008, 06:18 PM   #45
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Old August 9th, 2008, 10:57 PM   #46
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i am uninsured, and glad that we take names and kick @ss. better than being insured and speaking another language.

seriously tho. Socialized medicine is so far off in the scope of possibility in the US that is is unfeasable. It would take a complete socio-economic collapse and rebuilding from the ground up to fix it. Like a 440 big block that sucks too much gas. you either wait for it to blow up and replace it with a hybrid motor, or you stay out of the gas, change your shift patterns and try to get the mileage back in check.

maybe bad analogy, but if you look at how poorly medicare/caid is run currently, it is now what i would want for me and my family. Sure their is SIGNIFICANTLY less overhead, but the coverage is poor, and the government stranglehold on reimbursement KILLS healthcare providers, so they have to go elsewhere for their influx of money to stay on top.

Example:

You get burned badly in a garage fire. You are in the burn unit at a major hospital. Physical therapy or some other member of the burn team has to come in for wond therapy. If they are not there to take care of your wounds, you likely dehydrate, get an infection, or worse, become septic and die. Medicare/caid is currently reimbursing rates are approximately 30% of what is billed to them, and they will look for any little thing to throw a claim out completely. Furthermore, they have been slashing reimbursement rates at nearly 9% yearly on services such as these. How long is it until hospitals are expected to treat for free on anybody covered by 'government' insurance policies?

In socialized nations, they also put a premium on preventative medicine and lifestyles. Medicare/caid, our lovely government, low overhead, model for nationalized government run healthcare won't even pay for medical interactions regarding health and wellness or nutition, great forms of preventative medicine.

I am not in the medical part of healthcare, but rather a more auxillary component. Physical therapy. But i know that thanks to the government regulated healthcare that we currently have, most PT departments in the not-for-profit sector (hospitals), are running in the red.

Like stated, it will take someone who is willing to look past the $$ and B.S. that is floating around insurance companies and politicians to put major restrictions and reforms on our health care system. It is not all the government, or physicians or insurance companies faults, but rather a bad downhill roll that we have fallen into because of too many agendas being pushed at one time.

that is all from me
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Very insightful post. Please elaborate. Would you trust someone who cannot spell or use proper grammar to draft a new healthcare plan? Would you trust that same person to draft a war strategy? Would YOU want someone who is too lazy to use spellcheck to teach your children subjects in school? I hope not, if so, YOU Sir, are the moron. And that is my point, not that universal health care is good.

Hey I fixed another of your spelling errors.

Don't be to concerned you point was still clear.

Your not going to draft any healthcare plans or war stratagies are you????
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So, when's the SURGE into Darfur?

I think the liberal motivated U.N. is taking care of that one.

Should be a good laugh.
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Old August 11th, 2008, 07:29 PM   #49
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you dont get it do you? you cant sit around and wait for what you want, you gotta take it.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


OK - war is expensive. Always has been, always will be.

Darfur - little chance of them threatening the U.S. or our "vital interests".

Socialized healthcare? I have no reason to believe that government bureaucrats and unionized civil servants can run the healthcare system any better than they can run the post office or virtually any public housing or transportation system.

Does something need to change? Yes. Will $36,000/year doctors (like emergency room MDs in Toronto) fix it? No.

Duffman Healthcare Plan (Phase 1):

1) Eliminate class-action lawsuits in the medical arena, including drugs.
2) Cap malpractice insurance awards at the cost of services rendered, reimbursement for actual costs going forward, and punitive damages not to exceed $100K.
3) Develop and institute "reasonable" price controls (i.e. no $75 tylenols or $25 band-aids) and an oversight/audit process to enforce them.
4) Develop regulations in the health insurance arena that [a] cap profits, [b] prevent too much integration, and [c] provide reasonable access
5) Develop realistic care regimes that take cost/benefit into account - i.e. no $100K replacement hips for 90 year-olds or liver transplants for alcoholics.
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So, when's the SURGE into Darfur?
Did I miss the surge into Darfur or did Oblowhard take the same action on this as he has everything else, Do Nothing.

Maybe he's trying to have a dialogue with them. That seems to be working really well......

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