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Chevy/GMC 2500HD with a durmax/ Allison combo 59 29.35%
Dodger 2500 Heavy Duty with the Cummins 84 41.79%
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Old November 18th, 2005, 08:04 AM   #21
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I am gonna have to SERIOUSLY disagree with this comment. I have taken my CTD and GN into places that would qualify as cool trails in Michigan. Not many off-road parks have 80' wide paved entrance roads to drive down that I know of. Anyone that has been to the Forbidden Zone can verify this. I had to unload the Jeeps just to get the truck and trailer up that "road" to get to the campground.
Ya but are you saying that a GM wouldnt have made the road due to its IFS? Your only going to be in that situation 1% of the time and its likely the GM will still do the jorb except with better ride quality and less maintenance/tire wear for the other 99% of the time the truck will be towing on pavement or commuting or whatever.

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Ya but are you saying that a GM wouldnt have made the road due to its IFS? Your only going to be in that situation 1% of the time and its likely the GM will still do the jorb except with better ride quality and less maintenance/tire wear for the other 99% of the time the truck will be towing on pavement or commuting or whatever.


IFS front ends are less maintenance than a solid axle?

I'd think the ball joints, cv joints and idler arms would be higher maintenance than SA ball joints and u-joints. I don't know though, I have't had one.
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Old November 18th, 2005, 09:22 AM   #23
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Ya but are you saying that a GM wouldnt have made the road due to its IFS? Your only going to be in that situation 1% of the time and its likely the GM will still do the jorb except with better ride quality and less maintenance/tire wear for the other 99% of the time the truck will be towing on pavement or commuting or whatever.

My disagreement had nothing to do with the IFS. My issue was with his comment that tow rigs never go anywhere that require any flex. Anyone that wheels outside of Michigan and drives a towrig will understand where I'm coming from. Most great wheeling spots aren't sitting a 1/4 mile off the exit from the interstate. Yes, an IFS rig would probably get you there too. But for the loads I haul, and the places I pull them, I want solid axles under me. The ride comfort was less a consideration than the towing/hauling capacity. I bought a 1-ton truck, not a car with a pickup body.
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Old November 18th, 2005, 10:08 AM   #24
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I agree for the flex, i use it alot and I know i have draged a trailer though some crap. The dodge front end does tend to go through tires but just keep them rotated. As for the transmission, the 6speed or the auto is good, when youhave that much power and torque coming throught an automatic everyone is goign to fail.. I know a bunch of guys that have put 3 or 4 trannys in their dodge, but they have a 5 speed with a splitter and they haul like 10-12ton.. so use your own judgement.

There is alot of chips and performance modsout there for all the deisles. Comming from a dodge guy, I havent seen any major problems specail if you use them and not just put around. My friend also has a CTD with the 6speed and he is ave. about 28-32 mpg while hauling the tractor ( 3-4 ton).
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My friend also has a CTD with the 6speed and he is ave. about 28-32 mpg while hauling the tractor ( 3-4 ton).
I hate to call BS on that one. VERY few CTD's of any generation average above 20mpg empty. Anything over 25mpg is amazing. 28-32mpg pulling 6-8k is all but impossible. At best, pulling my 4,000 pound trailer empty I can get maybe 14-15mpg babying it at 60mph. That is with several mods designed to add power and fuel economy.
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Old November 18th, 2005, 11:06 AM   #26
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when youhave that much power and torque coming throught an automatic everyone is goign to fail.. I know a bunch of guys that have put 3 or 4 trannys in their dodge,
If your freinds were smart they would've only put one tranny in it, one that's built to handle power, not that factory rebuild crap.

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My friend also has a CTD with the 6speed and he is ave. about 28-32 mpg while hauling the tractor ( 3-4 ton).
Simply put.. No.
3 people I know well are running CTDs.

One is a 1 ton 4x4 dually.. 12V with a 5 spd. He avg about 17-18 empty if he keeps the speed under 75. That's with Almost every non-internal mod you can do to a 12V.

Another friend of mine runs a 2000 3/4ton 4x4 24V with a box, injectors, one of the baddest ass auto-trannies you can buy, I think he said he gets around 20 on a VERY good day empty.

Another friend of mine has a 2003 with a 6 speed. Bone stock plus exhaust, He gets 20 as well.

All of thoose are empty. Put 20,000 pounds behind the 12V and he gets around 11mpg...

This is the funniest thing I will read all day. If you want 32mpg with a diesel, you better buy a VW.
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Old November 18th, 2005, 03:26 PM   #27
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My disagreement had nothing to do with the IFS. My issue was with his comment that tow rigs never go anywhere that require any flex. ...

OK "never" was a bad word to use.
My point was GMs front suspension is stout. If you like the rest of the truck dont let the IFS scare you. Its been around for a long time and from my experience it takes less maintenance than SFA and the ride quality is better.

I shoulda known better than to tout an IFS truck on a 4x4 board
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Old November 18th, 2005, 04:21 PM   #28
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Dodge is the only truck to own.
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Old November 19th, 2005, 12:25 AM   #29
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If you throw a chip/power programmer in a DURAMAX it does like 12.9's in the quarter mile and thats just freakin sweet.
not to mention it can tow just about anything there is .


HAhahaha..... Going to take a bit more than that to run 12.9's.




Back on topic.

I prefer Dodge. Can't do better than the Cummins.

Are you buying new?

I have a 2000 Quad, long box. 4x4 that will be for sale as soon as I clean it up.

Many mod's.

Built right and will pull what ever you care to hook to it.


And the 28 to 32 mpg, sorry he is lieing to you or just doesn't know how to check it right. NEVER going to happen.

Maybe he is reading the overhead computer, going down hill. With his foot off the peddle.

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Old November 19th, 2005, 12:39 AM   #30
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no im not lookin to buy New unless i can find an 05 model with exactly what i want.. Cause the dealer back home is doin BAD ASS DEALS on 05's tryin to clear them out ! Pm me with all the info on truck a price and possibly some pics... ill run it by the old man..
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no im not lookin to buy New unless i can find an 05 model with exactly what i want.. Cause the dealer back home is doin BAD ASS DEALS on 05's tryin to clear them out ! Pm me with all the info on truck a price and possibly some pics... ill run it by the old man..


I'll take some pic's tomorrow and list details.
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Lol, I'd like to see this.... a stock duramax 3/4 ton with nothing by a programmer into the 12s?



I've never been let down by a CTD. I used to pull a 26,000 lb tub grinder with one, in a commercial dodge 1-ton.
They run 14.3 stock
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[QUOTE=Stan]HAhahaha..... Going to take a bit more than that to run 12.9's.



yeah you gotta fill the tank with ice cold PEPSI too
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Um, 14.3 Stock? BAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Right..

14.3 in a RWD application equates to about a 0-60 time in 5.8 seconds. 14.3 would be just a hair slower than a LT1 camaro.

The silverado SS which makes more horsepower and is considerably light runs 0-60 in 6.7 and the quarter in 15.1 seconds..

If the Duramax managed the quarter in under 16 seconds, I'd be surprised.



Why do people think trucks are fast? Idiots...
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I've been before... our Beretta runs 8's...
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Not sure of what year it was but last year at Lapeer I saw a newer Duramax run 17.? at the trrack.
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Ok, are we getting a diesel to be a race truck or a work horse?? If I want fast I would build some fast. I just want a nice truck to pull the jeep and other things around. If you build a diesel to be fast, than plan on lots of money and they never last like a stocker will.
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I don't think the IFS Chevy's ride any better than the coil sprung Dodges and '05 Fords. At least on the ones I have been in.

Well I have a new favorite now, I checked out a new Dodge 2500 MegaCab last week with the Cummin's 600, leather, dvd, loaded. Man that new cab is the shits, rear seats recline, tons of room for 6 people. To bad I can't afford a $48k truck.
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What did you think of the storage bin behind the back seat?
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