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Old July 24th, 2008, 03:02 PM   #1
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I have been thinking about trading in my 2004 Ram 2500 4x4 Hemi on a new/lightly used 4x4 diesel. The kbb trade in value was very poor. Do the dealers go by exactly what kbb says? Or are they making deals work in order to sell a vehicle. I know I will not get what I owe but I am not taking huge loss, I would just keep my truck if that is the case. Any salesmen on here help me out? I don't care if it is a Dodge Ford or Chevy.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 03:05 PM   #2
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good luck im think they will screw you since they cant move much these days.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 03:08 PM   #3
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good luck im think they will screw you since they cant move much these days.
thought that my self, but then I also thought they can't sell the new ones either so maybe they would work with me. Like I said it isn't something I have to do, it is something I want to do. It would be nice to pick up a brand new diesel
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thought that my self, but then I also thought they can't sell the new ones either so maybe they would work with me. Like I said it isn't something I have to do, it is something I want to do. It would be nice to pick up a brand new diesel
The sales manger here at the chevy dealer i work for gave a guy 6000$ for his
98 chevt ext cab 4x4 with 200,000 mi.its now on the lot for 7995
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Old July 24th, 2008, 05:10 PM   #5
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Don't want to burst your bubble but here are a couple of things to think about.
(I have had 2 diesels, a 89 Ford F250 4x4 and now have a 97 Dodge 3500 4x4they have both had the same repair of wearable components)

Around here diesel fuel is 80-90 cents more a gallon than gas. Depending on the truck you might not get that much better mileage to offset the fuel price difference.
(my brother traded a 03 F250 crew cab 4x4 w/V10 for a 05 F350 6ltr diesel crew cab 4x4, he gets 1-2 mpg better empty or loaded with the 05 than the 03 and with the price of fuel it costs him more to operate the diesel and there isn't much difference in power)

It takes a little more $ to maintain a diesel, oil and filters and such.(my Dodge takes 3 1/2gal of oil for an oil change a $10-$15 oil filter and a $30-$40 fuel filter.)

They can generally be harder on front end wearables because they are so front heavy. It's like carrying a snowplow around full time (The front axle of both trucks weighed around 4000lbs empty. Both trucks were hard on ball joints tie rods and tires.)

And when the warranty runs out a diesel can be very expensive to repair. (A buddy at work had the injection pump go bad on his 98 Dodge 24v at 120000 miles it cost him about $3000 for repairs then about 6 months later the transfer pump died that cost around $750 to get repaired)

There is a need and a place for a diesel but in todays world to drive one if you don't need it is hard to justify. I have bought a car to drive daily and only run the truck when I need to. My Dodge is only a 15mpg (empty) hwy 10mpg (loaded) hwy truck and my car gets 35 hwy.

Just my thoughts.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 05:23 PM   #6
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It's just like the housing market is right now. New truck prices are very low right now, (which is why you're considering), but that also makes the value on your trade lower as well.

You guys/gals buying a house right now for the first time, it's a GREAT time to buy a home. Those of us that would need to sell a house to buy a house, it's not such a great time.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 06:00 PM   #7
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You guys/gals buying a house right now for the first time, it's a GREAT time to buy a home. Those of us that would need to sell a house to buy a house, it's not such a great time.




Just bought our first house, and yes the market helped us quite a bit
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[quote=Jasper_Jpr;1207357]Don't want to burst your bubble but here are a couple of things to think about...

...and there isn't much difference in power)...[/quote]



Well yeah until you bomb the diesel for cheap. Then it's lights out on gassers Of course then you gotta start saving for a new tranny unless you were smart enough to get a manual


But yes, there are many points to consider in the comparison.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 06:13 PM   #9
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I have a 99 24 valve cummins and it has 260,000 miles auto trany with an edge box and 4" exhaust on it. Empty I GET 23 mpg the worst I have ever got is 14mpg (that was with about 15,000 lbs on back) I love my dodge will tow a house and get good miles per gallon. I don't think the dealer will give you much for your truck but you never know. good luck.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 06:41 PM   #10
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Don't want to burst your bubble but here are a couple of things to think about.
(I have had 2 diesels, a 89 Ford F250 4x4 and now have a 97 Dodge 3500 4x4they have both had the same repair of wearable components)

Around here diesel fuel is 80-90 cents more a gallon than gas. Depending on the truck you might not get that much better mileage to offset the fuel price difference.
(my brother traded a 03 F250 crew cab 4x4 w/V10 for a 05 F350 6ltr diesel crew cab 4x4, he gets 1-2 mpg better empty or loaded with the 05 than the 03 and with the price of fuel it costs him more to operate the diesel and there isn't much difference in power)

It takes a little more $ to maintain a diesel, oil and filters and such.(my Dodge takes 3 1/2gal of oil for an oil change a $10-$15 oil filter and a $30-$40 fuel filter.)

They can generally be harder on front end wearables because they are so front heavy. It's like carrying a snowplow around full time (The front axle of both trucks weighed around 4000lbs empty. Both trucks were hard on ball joints tie rods and tires.)

And when the warranty runs out a diesel can be very expensive to repair. (A buddy at work had the injection pump go bad on his 98 Dodge 24v at 120000 miles it cost him about $3000 for repairs then about 6 months later the transfer pump died that cost around $750 to get repaired)

There is a need and a place for a diesel but in todays world to drive one if you don't need it is hard to justify. I have bought a car to drive daily and only run the truck when I need to. My Dodge is only a 15mpg (empty) hwy 10mpg (loaded) hwy truck and my car gets 35 hwy.

Just my thoughts.
You don't have to change the oil in a diesel as often.
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You just have to play hardball with the salesman. If you go in there and browse the selection for a bit, make them wait, make them get ancy, and NEVER lead on that you would like a diesel but are worried about the trade in value, you have a chance to come out with a deal to your liking.

Set a number that you want to get out of your truck at the minimum, and then work for a grand or two extra. If they don't want to work with you, stop the conversation and say your not interested. They tend not to like that answer, as they make money on moving vehicles, including doing trades. They would much rather take a little hit on an older vehicle to sell a newer one(more expensive one), than to have no deal at all.

If I could own a diesel, I would do it in a heartbeat. Biodiesel is cheap and available, slightly less mpg than regular.
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I bought my first home during this time as well.

As usual with the diesel argument, I will still argue that, at least with a Cummins, it should be cheaper than a comparable gas truck. Now the newest of the 1/2 tons (Chevy in particular) are starting to get some decent mileage. So if you pick the right truck, and trade the Hemi on it, you should be good to go. Not to mention the added smile on your face when you press the skinny pedal.

BTW, I was smart and got the manual.
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I guess the best thing to do is go into the dealers. When I got my Ram I went to all three and took the best deal. I was a diehard Chevy guy until they could not beat the Dodge deal.I just have the new truck itch, it may pass, it may not. WHO KNOWS
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I guess the best thing to do is go into the dealers. When I got my Ram I went to all three and took the best deal. I was a diehard Chevy guy until they could not beat the Dodge deal.I just have the new truck itch, it may pass, it may not. WHO KNOWS
Keep your eye on this site, they have some pretty good deals on occasion:

http://my.bidcorp.com/auclist2.asp?c...eavy+Equipment
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Sorry to tell you, but several dealerships WILL NOT take trucks in for trade in. They cannot move them. If they do take them, they are not going to give you anything.

Your best bet is to sell privately.
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Sorry to tell you, but several dealerships WILL NOT take trucks in for trade in. They cannot move them. If they do take them, they are not going to give you anything.

Your best bet is to sell privately.
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