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Old July 16th, 2008, 01:12 PM   #1
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well i just recently bought a 5th wheel hitch from a michigan supplier. his price was $19.72 more than the cheepest place on the internet after shipping too.

so the question is would you spend $19.72 to buy from a michagan small business or would you save said money and buy off the internet?

me personally i am happy to keep the money here(as much as possible). i figure if i buy from a michigan small business he makes profit. then he has money to buy stuff from the local hardware or any other local business too. its kinda a ripple effect isnt it or am i wrong?

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well i just recently bought a 5th wheel hitch from a michigan supplier. his price was $19.72 more than the cheepest place on the internet after shipping too.

so the question is would you spend $19.72 to buy from a michagan small business or would you save said money and buy off the internet?

me personally i am happy to keep the money here(as much as possible). i figure if i buy from a michigan small business he makes profit. then he has money to buy stuff from the local hardware or any other local business too. its kinda a ripple effect isnt it or am i wrong?

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Did the guy you bought the hitch from get the hitch from China or somewhere else? If it was fabbed in MI, than I say kudos to you. if he bought it somewhere else and marked it up excessively then I say that that seller is not competitive and you should go and find the best price possible. (And yes, I do understand that it is hard for businesses to compete with online sales. to this I say that businesses should create their own online presence or STFU)
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$20.00 difference is insignificant to me for the convenience of cash+carry, and not having to wait for an internet seller to package/ship an item.

If however I could purchase a vehicle, directly from the manufacturer, over the internet, configured to my specifications, and eliminate dealing with the likes of Joseph Pontiac or insert your own slimy dealership reference and also in the process save the average $1,000 to $1,800 or so I would do it in a heartbeat.

backstory on Joseph: in the fall of 2005 I had signed paperwork to take delivery of their last remaining 2004 6 Speed GTO, a silver one. Verified everything over the phone, my Credit Union financing in order, insurance secured etc. Made plans to take off early from work, and drive from Pontiac to Fenton to take delivery. Spoke with the salesman just prior to leaving the office to confirm everything.

Arrive around 3:00 pm only to find that they had delivered the car to another buyer at noon. After arguing with the salesman, and then being escorted into the sales manager's office I overheard a discussion from the floor. Apparently another person who had bought that car had just arrived as well.

They tried to convince me to buy one with the slushbox, wouldn't budge from sticker, and this was even after I had mentioned for the umpteenth time that an automatic to me was a severe liability in a "sports car".

I indicated to the headman himself on the way out, that not only would I never do business with anyone in their automotive group (sales, repairs, or leasing) but I'd happily retell my tale to anyone who cared to listen, or read it.
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I would happily pay $20 more to buy from a brick and mortar here in Michigan.

Assuming you are comparing apples to apples or better.

For Mr. Miata: http://detroit.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Repor...002205#custexp

Seems they aren't very good at resolving issues with the BBB

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yes identical parts. one was on the internet and one was a real business in michigan.
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Did the guy you bought the hitch from get the hitch from China or somewhere else? If it was fabbed in MI, than I say kudos to you. if he bought it somewhere else and marked it up excessively then I say that that seller is not competitive and you should go and find the best price possible. (And yes, I do understand that it is hard for businesses to compete with online sales. to this I say that businesses should create their own online presence or STFU)
both sources were for the same brand and part. i understand that a large portion of the hitch price is going to the manufacture. we have a choice who the profit goes too as far as the resale of the goods.

so you chose price i guess?
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Did the guy you bought the hitch from get the hitch from China or somewhere else? If it was fabbed in MI, than I say kudos to you. if he bought it somewhere else and marked it up excessively then I say that that seller is not competitive and you should go and find the best price possible. (And yes, I do understand that it is hard for businesses to compete with online sales. to this I say that businesses should create their own online presence or STFU)
If the quality is on par, I think you are hurting things if you get upset that it wasn't fabbed here to be able to compete.

The company in Michigan is still brick and mortar with overhead. My extra dollars will always go there.
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yes identical parts. one was on the internet and one was a real business in michigan.
The one on the internet, could have been a michigan businessman as well.

If you take out the convenience factor, there is really no reason to shop locally if price is cheaper elsewhere. You don't know what the local businessman is going to do with the money, for all you know, he could be spending that money out of state. Conversely, the internet seller could be planning a trip to Michigan or buying something from Michigan.
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Michigan for sure.
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The one on the internet, could have been a michigan businessman as well.

If you take out the convenience factor, there is really no reason to shop locally if price is cheaper elsewhere. You don't know what the local businessman is going to do with the money, for all you know, he could be spending that money out of state. Conversely, the internet seller could be planning a trip to Michigan or buying something from Michigan.
the internet business was in georgia.
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Wouldn't a fifth wheel hitch be hundreds of dollars? If it was 500 bucks, figure in his 20.00 upcharge, as well as you have to pay 30 in tax, it ends up being 10% more.

Thats enough for me to buy out of state

Hopefully UPS will switch to Toyota trucks also.
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I generally would try to buy from the local business mainly because of the convenience factor. If it is something I need/want sooner rather than later, IMO, the extra $20 is a small price to pay... my time I would be waiting for delivery for an internet purchase is worth far more than that.

One thing that you need to add to the cost of the potential internet purchase is the service you would receive. By shopping at a local store you have a lot more recourse should something go wrong or you need some extra service. Are you going to have that convenience if you have a question or concern once the product arrives if you bought from a internet site? And with an especially heavy item like a 5th wheel hitch, what if you have to return it? That can turn into a major headache if you have to send it back to an online dealer through UPS or DHL or something as opposed to taking it to somewhere down the street.
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total was 20 bucks more

that includes shipping, tax, and any other b.s

the difference was 20 bucks to my door.

both items were in need of a shipping charge because i wasnt driving to go get it so no convience factor here.
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One thing that you need to add to the cost of the potential internet purchase is the service you would receive.
That is a good point. On a tighter scale, that can be like buying a chainsaw from Lowes, or from your local small engine place. Do you want real support?
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total was 20 bucks more

that includes shipping, tax, and any other b.s

the difference was 20 bucks to my door.
oh, including tax, I would buy it locally if its a mom/pop store. If its some chain store, piss on them, order online.
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oh, including tax, I would buy it locally if its a mom/pop store. If its some chain store, piss on them, order online.
agreed i dont consider chain stores and the such to count. it was a "real" small business.
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oh, including tax, I would buy it locally if its a mom/pop store. If its some chain store, piss on them, order online.
x2.

again, depending on convenience of delivery, vs. instant gratification.
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That is a good point. On a tighter scale, that can be like buying a chainsaw from Lowes, or from your local small engine place. Do you want real support?
Everytime someone mentions chainsaws and Lowes in the same sentance I think of the AWESOME ad's in the USA today for Stihl.
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wishing I'd have bought a stihl, or a husqy instead of the low end poulan I snagged from Tractor Supply.

While I've only got two trees on my own property, I have already managed to stretch the chain somehow beyond the adjustment capabilities of the arm just in clearing 5 or so trees from my parent's property.
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I could have saved 20% ($200+) buying a similar road bike (in components, not brand) online as opposed to my local bike shop. Supporting them, and building a relationship with them was much more important. Now they give me 10-15% off almost anything on the shelf, and are happy to answer my questions or do quick repairs.

I shop at the local grocery store instead of Walmart or Meijers. I maybe pay $10-$15 more each shopping trip for doing that.

I used to be a cheap ass and bought everything online... but as I got older I learned that my local economy is worth more.
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