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Old April 20th, 2006, 06:37 AM   #1
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We'll keep this civilized and I'll put my big boy cap on and give you realistic, logical, straight forward answers.

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Old April 20th, 2006, 06:38 AM   #2
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You don't waste any time, do you?
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Old April 20th, 2006, 06:42 AM   #3
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Been at work a couple hours now. I said I'd do it so here it is.
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Old April 20th, 2006, 06:46 AM   #4
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Well, I have class until afternoon, but, after that, we'll chat!
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Ask deke form ok here ya go .

I have noticed some catholics seem to instill there morals only when useful . They will lie like a fish when its to there advantage , pretty much any thing they want to do is ok but they will haul out the morals bus and unload it on your feet if they are against your corupt mind .

The question to Deke is , Is it just be or have you noticed this with in relgion ?
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Fish lie? I can't even get them to talk to me.

I like being Buddhist. Do unto others with only myself responsible for my destiny. I do know some great Christians - they're a swell group of people too. :)
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I have noticed some catholics seem to instill there morals only when useful . They will lie like a fish when its to there advantage , pretty much any thing they want to do is ok but they will haul out the morals bus and unload it on your feet if they are against your corupt mind .

The question to Deke is , Is it just be or have you noticed this with in relgion ?
Whats intresting is the ones we consider the crazies are pretty much living the book to the T. Its amazing how when a christian is confronted with something a crazy did they pass it off and say how crazy they are. Never really tell ya why and then of course they dont want to talk about it at all.

Muslim. Religion of peace. Only a small sect is crazy. yea. :tonka: mmhmm.
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I like being Buddhist. Do unto others with only myself responsible for my destiny. I do know some great Christians - they're a swell group of people too. :)
Maybe by them not talking to you they are lying by omission?


Buddism is intresting in how it approachs the big questions. I know plenty of great christians. is it the religion that makes them great or themselves?
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Old April 20th, 2006, 07:47 AM   #9
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Maybe by them not talking to you they are lying by omission?


Buddism is intresting in how it approachs the big questions. I know plenty of great christians. is it the religion that makes them great or themselves?
I think it lies wholly within the person that they are good, but they also find strength in their belief which helps them out too.

I like everybody, except Lothos.
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Deke, If the bible is an account of the world from when it was created, how come it does not mention dinosaurs?
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I think it lies wholly within the person that they are good, but they also find strength in their belief which helps them out too.

I like everybody, except Lothos.
Everyone can find hope if it sounds good. Religion overall has way to many warm and fuzzy aspects to it. "utopia"

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Deke, If the bible is an account of the world from when it was created, how come it does not mention dinosaurs?
They were put here to test our faith with the creator. /religion.


Because the bible is an account of the world as percieved in time of the past. The simple "my dads' dad dad dad dad etc" logic till the end is reached. Thats the begining of time according to the bible/ religous scholars.


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Old April 20th, 2006, 08:50 AM   #13
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Deke, If the bible is an account of the world from when it was created, how come it does not mention dinosaurs?
the perception of early man, and in fact the writers of the bible, and even the gospels is not that of what we have today.

Arguabley, they wrote those passages from their perspectives, or "first hand accounts" of the perspectives that witnessed the events, and conveyed them as they understood

put yourself in the shoes of even someone 4, or 500 years ago. the entire concept of as an example "millions of years" just wasn't fathomable.

so, back to the original question. coming from their perspective, what does "when the world was created" mean? To them, more than likely it means the very earliest form of concious thought perhaps, and/or "memorable history".

the very concept of something coming before that is so unfathomable, that even if God "told them" the details, the millions of years, etc. how on earth would ancient man be able to write it?

One could make the analogy, based on the perspective of early man, and what we "scientifically 'know' today" that if somehow someone 2-4,000 years ago wrote down what we "know" that it would be so absurdly out of context, that it would be viewed with the same derision as most people view Scientology today.
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Old April 20th, 2006, 08:52 AM   #14
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Fish lie? I can't even get them to talk to me.


The conversations I have had with fish have been pretty boring. They just keep repeating, "Take me to the river. Throw me in the water." whenever I walk by...
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Everyone can find hope if it sounds good. Religion overall has way to many warm and fuzzy aspects to it. "utopia"

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from my admitedly limited knowledge of judaism - everyone is still doomed to eternal death/damnation until the arrival of the messiah since they don't think he's been here yet, then I wouldn't qualify that as "warm and fuzzy".

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The conversations I have had with fish have been pretty boring. They just keep repeating, "Take me to the river. Throw me in the water." whenever I walk by...
after that, are they chanting:
"Psycho Killer Qu'est-ce que c'est? Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far far better Run run run run run run run away.... " ?
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from my admitedly limited knowledge of judaism - everyone is still doomed to eternal death/damnation until the arrival of the messiah since they don't think he's been here yet, then I wouldn't qualify that as "warm and fuzzy".

*shrug*
awesome. So is i was a jew I'd be fucked no matter what? Solid.
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the perception of early man, and in fact the writers of the bible, and even the gospels is not that of what we have today.

Arguabley, they wrote those passages from their perspectives, or "first hand accounts" of the perspectives that witnessed the events, and conveyed them as they understood

put yourself in the shoes of even someone 4, or 500 years ago. the entire concept of as an example "millions of years" just wasn't fathomable.

so, back to the original question. coming from their perspective, what does "when the world was created" mean? To them, more than likely it means the very earliest form of concious thought perhaps, and/or "memorable history".

the very concept of something coming before that is so unfathomable, that even if God "told them" the details, the millions of years, etc. how on earth would ancient man be able to write it?

One could make the analogy, based on the perspective of early man, and what we "scientifically 'know' today" that if somehow someone 2-4,000 years ago wrote down what we "know" that it would be so absurdly out of context, that it would be viewed with the same derision as most people view Scientology today.
Heres an idea I've had bouncing around in my head. What are the chances that the "creators" of the bible tripped real hard one night on jima-jabba sparks and their visions of talking to god was nothing more then a hard ripping trip?


On the flip side - bad trips result in hr giger style visions. Intresting how mind alerting substances produce effects with religous meanings. To much material to cover right now.
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awesome. So is i was a jew I'd be fucked no matter what? Solid.
well, that's my assumption. I'm inferring it from the reference that christains are/were essentially jews that believe(d) that Jesus was the propheted messiah/saviour and that through him one is saved from sin.

In addition to spelling issues however, I have a rambled, incomplete picture, clouded by a severe sinus infection, penchant for multi-tasking, and just too damned much other stuff floating around in my head right now to compile a more meaningful, researched statement on it than what I have put above.

to address your actual statement: as for whether or not you'd get laid more, I'm not sure if wearing a beanie would help you or not :tonka:

(I'm leaning towards not)
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Deke, If the bible is an account of the world from when it was created, how come it does not mention dinosaurs?
They were put here to test our faith with the creator. /religion.

you cant be serious....
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