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Old July 14th, 2008, 11:01 PM   #21
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I think that the government should stay out of it. Personally.

I also think that if you chose to do your own research on the economy, you will see it's doing just fine.

IN N OUT in San Fran was hiring fry cooks for $10.50 an hour when I was there.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 06:08 AM   #22
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Speaking of foreign ownership, did you know that there is not 1 armor plate steel mill in North America that is owned by a North American company? They are owned by the Russians, Indians and Swedes. Come time for a world war and our military armor plate is at risk. Sure, we can take it back and nationalize it but the operating infrastructure would crumble & have to be reorganized. Just food for thought........
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I think that the government should stay out of it. Personally.

I also think that if you chose to do your own research on the economy, you will see it's doing just fine.

IN N OUT in San Fran was hiring fry cooks for $10.50 an hour when I was there.
You are making a fatal error in your comparison. $10.50/hour in San Fran does not compare to $10.50/hour in Kalamazoo. The cost of living plays a huge role in that comparison. San Fran is much more expensive than most areas in Michigan. Fast food places 4-5 years ago in Ann Arbor were offering $10+/hour plus benefits and paid tuition programs.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 07:43 PM   #24
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I think that the government should stay out of it. Personally.

I also think that if you chose to do your own research on the economy, you will see it's doing just fine.

IN N OUT in San Fran was hiring fry cooks for $10.50 an hour when I was there.
You say that like $10.50 an hour is good. I make a little more than that. Could I get be on $10.50 an hour? Sure. But I wouldn't be wheeling or spending any money at JCRoffroad, so there goes your job. Sure, you'll find another job, maybe making the same pay, maybe less. But pretty much everyone slides down a notch or 2. Recession.
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I love when hold California up as an example of anything.
Cali resembles the rest of the US as much as Michigan does. Each has their own problems that don't translate.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 08:42 PM   #26
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I think that the government should stay out of it. Personally.

I also think that if you chose to do your own research on the economy, you will see it's doing just fine.

IN N OUT in San Fran was hiring fry cooks for $10.50 an hour when I was there.

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I love when hold California up as an example of anything.
Cali resembles the rest of the US as much as Michigan does. Each has their own problems that don't translate.
kommiefornia resembles the U.S.S.R. more than it does America. fuck California, I hope it slides into the ocean. what scares me the most is that Cali is what the whole us will be like in 30 years...
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Old July 15th, 2008, 10:17 PM   #28
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You say that like $10.50 an hour is good. I make a little more than that. Could I get be on $10.50 an hour? Sure. But I wouldn't be wheeling or spending any money at JCRoffroad, so there goes your job. Sure, you'll find another job, maybe making the same pay, maybe less. But pretty much everyone slides down a notch or 2. Recession.
It was actually in San Ramon, which is 30 or so miles outside of town, in the desert.

What was my point in my comment? The cost of living in the area is not double what is is here, but $10.50 is almost double what the same position is getting paid here in Michigan. They offer $10.50 for that position because it's a workers market there, and many other places in the US.

I could have used some other business to make my point, but I don't understand the whole automotive market and it's wages.

I also think it's funny that your trying to explain economics of our business to me, or what type of job I could or could not get.
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It was actually in San Ramon, which is 30 or so miles outside of town, in the desert.

What was my point in my comment? The cost of living in the area is not double what is is here, but $10.50 is almost double what the same position is getting paid here in Michigan. They offer $10.50 for that position because it's a workers market there, and many other places in the US.

I could have used some other business to make my point, but I don't understand the whole automotive market and it's wages.

I also think it's funny that your trying to explain economics of our business to me, or what type of job I could or could not get.
you're wrong about the double thing. Do you know what minimum wage is now?
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Old July 15th, 2008, 11:01 PM   #30
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It was actually in San Ramon, which is 30 or so miles outside of town, in the desert.

What was my point in my comment? The cost of living in the area is not double what is is here, but $10.50 is almost double what the same position is getting paid here in Michigan. They offer $10.50 for that position because it's a workers market there, and many other places in the US.

I could have used some other business to make my point, but I don't understand the whole automotive market and it's wages.

I also think it's funny that your trying to explain economics of our business to me, or what type of job I could or could not get.
OK, I thought you were trying to suggest that $10.50 was a good paying job.

I actually agree with you that the economy isn't as bad as some people think, and can give you first hand proof.

Next week I'm starting a new job. I not changing jobs because I have to, but because I was bored at my old job and was looking for something new and interesting. It also helps that I'll be making more and it's closer to home.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 12:21 AM   #31
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you're wrong about the double thing. Do you know what minimum wage is now?
You are correct, I was wrong about that. Michigan is higher than the Federal Minimum wage of of 5.85... which will go up on the 24th of this month.

I wonder if the fact that Michigan has like the 7th highest minimum wage has anything to do with our current local economy?

California's is $8 (the city of San Fran is 9.36, though my example was not in the city)

What this all boils down do is that my example was terrible, and ultimately pointless for my argument. Sorry.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 07:43 AM   #33
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I wonder if the fact that Michigan has like the 7th highest minimum wage has anything to do with our current local economy?
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Well, somewhat, but not nearly as much as some would have you believe. Coincidently, all of the states with a minimum wage higher than ours have unemployment rates below us.

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Coincidently, all of the states with a minimum wage higher than ours have unemployment rates below us.
which is not surprising since almost every state has an unemployment rate lower than ours.
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which is not surprising since almost every state has an unemployment rate lower than ours.
But those states witht the lowest minimum wages do not also have the lowest unemployment rates.
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Well at least the government is worried about digital TVs.
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