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Old June 30th, 2008, 09:31 PM   #1
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This is to funny. Im going to vote for him just cause he agree's with everyone!!

*McCain was against the repeal of Roe v. Wade before he was for it.
*McCain was against torture before he was for it. Really for it.
*McCain was against crazy right-wing preachers like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson before he was for them.
*McCain was against Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy before he was for them.
*McCain was against shady Bush “Pioneer” Texas billionaire swift-boat financiers before he was for them.
*McCain was for the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law before he was against it and began breaking it.
*McCain was against Grover Norquist, whom he called “corrupt, a shill for dictators“ before he was for him.
*McCain was against BJU because of its “hateful,” “racist and cruel” policies before he was for it.
*McCain was against ethanol before he was for ethanol and then he was against it again.
*McCain was against a Martin Luther King holiday before he was for it.
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Yes, each candidate flip flops. They both suck.
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Yes, each candidate flip flops. They both suck.
x2 Happens in every election.
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McCain, stated he would help "bail-out" us automakers.


so thats pretty getting me to sway to Obama, even though he's hypocritic about cars
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So people aren't allowed to change their minds? I'm sure everyone draws an opinion on things before they find out all the info. Then, you get all the facts straight and go whoops, I was off, and change your mind.
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How about dodging paying taxes on a La Jolla California residence for 4+ years, not responding to mailings, just paying off balance today and suffering no penalties.
If you can't keep track of your own finances, especially with the wealth and means to hire an accountant, how are we to believe he won't act above the law thru privelege, "national security" or a host of other issues much like his predecessors?
How do us common folk get on the McCain property tax payment plan?
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How about dodging paying taxes on a La Jolla California residence for 4+ years, not responding to mailings, just paying off balance today and suffering no penalties.
If you can't keep track of your own finances, especially with the wealth and means to hire an accountant, how are we to believe he won't act above the law thru privelege, "national security" or a host of other issues much like his predecessors?
How do us common folk get on the McCain property tax payment plan?
yeah he has issues, and personaly im not a big fan, i almost view him as a democrat, but would you like us to start listing obamas flaws? im sure we could make a bigger list
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McCain, stated he would help "bail-out" us automakers.
Ban importing cars and don't drill for oil. That'll force a lot of things to happen. :tonka:

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Ban importing cars and drill for oil. That'll force a lot of things to happen. :tonka:
x2.

Also ban transplants.....(all the Honda, Toyota factories built in the U.S.).
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Actually, I meant don't drill. Whoops.
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ban the uaw and pud pounder.
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OK. A few key Obama flip-flops & outright lies:

1) His memoir (what kind of egotist writes a memoir when he's 35 years old?) describes a moving moment in his life where he read an article (with photos) in Life magazine about a black man who tried to bleach his skin white and burned himself. He goes on about how it gave him black identity. According to a search of Life magazine, no such article or photos exist. Likewise Ebony, his second choice after being confronted.

2) In his big DNC convention speech, he describes his father as a goat-herder who went to school in a tin-roofed shack. His father worked in an office at a university in Nairobi starting at age 16. Another case of manufacturing a piece of his story to better market his image.

3) In 2003, talking to the AFL/CIO: “I happen to be a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare coverage. That’s what I’d like to see.” In January, 2008, Obama claimed in a nationally televised debate:” I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single-payer.”

4) On 7/28/2004, Barack Obama told a group of reporters in Boston that the United States had an “absolute obligation” to remain in Iraq long enough to make it a success.”The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster,” he said at a lunch sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor, according to an audiotape of the session. “It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective.” In late winter, 2008, on the campaign trail, Obama says he wants to bring the troops home yesterday.

5) In March 2007, Obama spoke to an audience in Selma AL about the circumstances surrounding his conception. He says that he had been conceived by his parents, Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham, because they had been inspired by the fervor following the “Bloody Sunday” voting rights demonstration that was commemorated March 4 1965. “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama,” he said, “because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don’t tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama”. Obama was born in 1961, and the Selma march occurred four years later, in 1965. The New York Times reported that when the senator was asked about the discrepancy later that day, he clarified: “I meant the whole civil rights movement.” More megalomania - look, I'm literally a part of the civil rights movement...

6) Obama also told a tale about his personal tie to icons Jack and Bobby Kennedy. The Kennedy lads apparently decided to do an airlift. They would bring some young Africans over so that they could be educated and learn all about America. His grandfather heard that call and sent his son, Barack Obama, Sr., to America.The problem with that scenario is that, having been born in August 1961, the future senator was not conceived until sometime in November 1960. So, if his African grandfather heard words that “sent a shout across oceans,” inspiring him to send his son to America, it was not Democrat Jack Kennedy he heard, or his brother Bobby, it was Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower. This "airlift" never happened.
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So people aren't allowed to change their minds? I'm sure everyone draws an opinion on things before they find out all the info. Then, you get all the facts straight and go whoops, I was off, and change your mind.
X2.

I'd rather a politician admit he was wrong and change his position than ignore all signs that he was wrong and blindly march on.
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X2.

I'd rather a politician admit he was wrong and change his position than ignore all signs that he was wrong and blindly march on.
Yep, I agree. It's like trying to show someone they're wrong, and even if they know they are they won't let down.
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OK. A few key Obama flip-flops & outright lies:

1) His memoir (what kind of egotist writes a memoir when he's 35 years old?) describes a moving moment in his life where he read an article (with photos) in Life magazine about a black man who tried to bleach his skin white and burned himself. He goes on about how it gave him black identity. According to a search of Life magazine, no such article or photos exist. Likewise Ebony, his second choice after being confronted.

2) In his big DNC convention speech, he describes his father as a goat-herder who went to school in a tin-roofed shack. His father worked in an office at a university in Nairobi starting at age 16. Another case of manufacturing a piece of his story to better market his image.

3) In 2003, talking to the AFL/CIO: “I happen to be a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare coverage. That’s what I’d like to see.” In January, 2008, Obama claimed in a nationally televised debate:” I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single-payer.”

4) On 7/28/2004, Barack Obama told a group of reporters in Boston that the United States had an “absolute obligation” to remain in Iraq long enough to make it a success.”The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster,” he said at a lunch sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor, according to an audiotape of the session. “It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective.” In late winter, 2008, on the campaign trail, Obama says he wants to bring the troops home yesterday.

5) In March 2007, Obama spoke to an audience in Selma AL about the circumstances surrounding his conception. He says that he had been conceived by his parents, Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham, because they had been inspired by the fervor following the “Bloody Sunday” voting rights demonstration that was commemorated March 4 1965. “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama,” he said, “because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don’t tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama”. Obama was born in 1961, and the Selma march occurred four years later, in 1965. The New York Times reported that when the senator was asked about the discrepancy later that day, he clarified: “I meant the whole civil rights movement.” More megalomania - look, I'm literally a part of the civil rights movement...

6) Obama also told a tale about his personal tie to icons Jack and Bobby Kennedy. The Kennedy lads apparently decided to do an airlift. They would bring some young Africans over so that they could be educated and learn all about America. His grandfather heard that call and sent his son, Barack Obama, Sr., to America.The problem with that scenario is that, having been born in August 1961, the future senator was not conceived until sometime in November 1960. So, if his African grandfather heard words that “sent a shout across oceans,” inspiring him to send his son to America, it was not Democrat Jack Kennedy he heard, or his brother Bobby, it was Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower. This "airlift" never happened.
You forgot to mention how he supported public financing in the election until he made more money then McCain and then decided to turn his back on public financing.

Oh and don't forget Nafta, The DC gun ban, gay marriage, granting immunity to telecoms, welfare reform, the faith based initative, wearing a flag pin, not turning his back on Rev. Wright, the Iraq war, single payer health care, decriminalizing pot, Iran being a threat, the cuba embargo.

.....Somebody help me, I getting tired. Here's some more.....

http://massdiscussion.blogspot.com/2...lip-flops.html
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Yep, I agree. It's like trying to show someone they're wrong, and even if they know they are they won't let down.
that's all well and good until we take a time machine back to 2004 and explain that flip flopping isn't a bad thing. Maybe Bush wouldn't have served a second term.
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that's all well and good until we take a time machine back to 2004 and explain that flip flopping isn't a bad thing. Maybe Bush wouldn't have served a second term.
Well, it's one thing to flip flop on a basic opinion compared to flip flopping on..."well hey maybe I shouldn't have lit off that nuke."

I kinda take it on a case to case basis, compared to making a general statement that all flip flopping is ok.
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You forgot to mention how he supported public financing in the election until he made more money then McCain and then decided to turn his back on public financing.

Oh and don't forget Nafta, The DC gun ban, gay marriage, granting immunity to telecoms, welfare reform, the faith based initative, wearing a flag pin, not turning his back on Rev. Wright, the Iraq war, single payer health care, decriminalizing pot, Iran being a threat, the cuba embargo.

.....Somebody help me, I getting tired. Here's some more.....

http://massdiscussion.blogspot.com/2...lip-flops.html
Let me guess. You voted for that dumb ass we have in office now didn't you?
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Let me guess. You voted for that dumb ass we have in office now didn't you?
How do you come to the conclusion Bush dumb? The news? John Stewart maybe? Some political hack comedian? Bush maybe a lot of negative things but dumb is not one of them.
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Let me guess. You voted for that dumb ass we have in office now didn't you?
fuck yeah. my only regret is that i was only old enough to vote for him once. i would vote for him this fall.
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