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Old June 25th, 2008, 12:08 PM   #21
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I don't mind the law, I want my kids to be safe.

I have heard of many kids getting killed in car accidents because the belt could not hold their small bodies.

Quit being a bunch of cry babbies.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 12:09 PM   #22
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Nope. You have proven repeatedly and beyond any doubt that you are a complete and total fucking idiot. You can't handle raising dogs or children. Or is that against the prophecy...
Hey you two! Don't bring your shit into my thread (please). Let's fight about the new law, not prophecy or who is the bigger idiot. I, and only I, will decide which of you is the bigger idiot.

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Old June 25th, 2008, 12:10 PM   #23
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Nope. You have proven repeatedly and beyond any doubt that you are a complete and total fucking idiot. You can't handle raising dogs or children. Or is that against the prophecy...
that was entirely uncalled for.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 12:15 PM   #24
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I don't mind the law, I want my kids to be safe.

I have heard of many kids getting killed in car accidents because the belt could not hold their small bodies.

Quit being a bunch of cry babbies.
I agree and disagree. I've policed over 1000 traffic accidents and don't recall any 6 year olds getting killed because their seat belt didn't fit correctly. Now, I'm sure it happens, but I haven't seen it.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 12:16 PM   #25
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so, rather than use all this legislative power to make auto companies make a minor adjustment to the seat belts to fit kids and adults, it's better to make a law requiring people to spend on average $50-$200 for a booster seat for EACH child and ticket them if they didn't spend the money they didn't have in the first place. Not to mention child care facilities nor aid to put seatbelts on all buses which has yet to be accomplished. Yeah, good law.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that if you can't afford a $50 booster seat ($200), then you probably shouldn't be having kids.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 12:18 PM   #26
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I am going to go out on a limb here and say that if you can't afford a $50 booster seat ($200), then you probably shouldn't be having kids.

i guess you can't buy that stuff with wic...

goverment will supply them w/a coupon or something.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 12:19 PM   #27
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I don't mind the law, I want my kids to be safe.

I have heard of many kids getting killed in car accidents because the belt could not hold their small bodies.

Quit being a bunch of cry babbies.
That's great that you want your kids to be safe Dave, so do I. However, I might feel that my child is safe without the booster seat and you may not - I do not want another law telling me what I need to do to be safe. It would be nice to still feel like I had a hand in raising my own children.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 12:19 PM   #28
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the problem is the action is taken against the people with the least power. NHTSA standards require crash testing of small child crash dummies and seat belts are designed to work for them. If they didn't work for those children ages they would make adjustments to the seat belt laws/specs, etc... Fixing a "problem" after the fact is the wrong approach. I have nothing against protecting the kids, but I think this law is inappropriate and mainly aimed at generating revenue off the backs of the people that can afford it the least.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 01:20 PM   #29
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I agree and disagree. I've policed over 1000 traffic accidents and don't recall any 6 year olds getting killed because their seat belt didn't fit correctly. Now, I'm sure it happens, but I haven't seen it.
I respect your experience, but check out some crash test videos of little kids, the shoulder belt goes right to the neck.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 01:22 PM   #30
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here's an issue I have with the law. it is entirely feasible that said child that is "too small" to ride without a booster seat, may in fact be able to reach the pegs on some of the modern sport bikes, and be strong enough to hold on.

meaning, that they can't legally ride in the back seat of a freaking 37 ton excursion that probably has 13 airbags, without the booster seat, but they can legally ride on the back of daddy's motorcycle. (with a helmet of course)



this state, and this country has an exponentially more complicated attempt at legislating common sense, and/or dumbing down safety to the lowest common denominator and it needs to fucking stop.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 01:25 PM   #31
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here's an issue I have with the law. it is entirely feasible that said child that is "too small" to ride without a booster seat, may in fact be able to reach the pegs on some of the modern sport bikes, and be strong enough to hold on.

meaning, that they can't legally ride in the back seat of a freaking 37 ton excursion that probably has 13 airbags, without the booster seat, but they can legally ride on the back of daddy's motorcycle. (with a helmet of course)



this state, and this country has an exponentially more complicated attempt at legislating common sense, and/or dumbing down safety to the lowest common denominator and it needs to fucking stop.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 01:34 PM   #32
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I had 2 classes in college that studied crash safety, occupant safety, etc. Anyone who thinks their small child is safe in a regualr seatbelt is fooling themselves. They may not die, but they will have head traumas that are simply not needed and easily avoided. We also have a crash sled that had 5th percentile females and children dummies. The results of a properly placed seatbelt or properly secured booset seat/car seat is amazing. I'm not sure why people out there would think it is a bad law, unless you are just un-informed or just don't care about children you will never meet.

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meaning, that they can't legally ride in the back seat of a freaking 37 ton excursion that probably has 13 airbags, without the booster seat, but they can legally ride on the back of daddy's motorcycle. (with a helmet of course)
The law is meant to protect the majority. I have a feeling there about 1459234 x more 6 year olds riding in vehicles with 4 tires than a motorcycle.
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Old June 25th, 2008, 01:35 PM   #33
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$19.99 at Babies 'R' Us.....this is what they are talking about....not buying some fancy "BABY" seat.....my 6 year old hates it, but this lifts him up high enough so the seat belt not only fits comfortably, but does its job properly.

Stop bitching about the one less carton of cigarettes or case of beer you want to buy and pick one up....who cares if you believe it will make a difference...if there is a 1% chance it will, I will use it to protect my youngest*

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Old June 25th, 2008, 01:41 PM   #34
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I don't mind the law, I want my kids to be safe.

I have heard of many kids getting killed in car accidents because the belt could not hold their small bodies.

Quit being a bunch of cry babbies.
x2....It is very hard to tailor a seatbelt design and a SRS to restrain a small child up to a 95th percentile male (aka me). Hence why the Government only regulates 5th female, 50th males and shmucks like me (95th) are "due care". Which means if you can meet the injury requirements for a 95th great!
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Old June 25th, 2008, 01:43 PM   #35
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chit, if I put a booster seat, the lap belt may not be long enough, and why do i need a booster seat for a lap belt?
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Old June 25th, 2008, 01:44 PM   #36
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I respect your experience, but check out some crash test videos of little kids, the shoulder belt goes right to the neck.
I got plenty of high speed video showing what happens to a rear facing infant seat when a passenger airbag hits it. Lets say not a pretty sight! People, I can't stress this enough........Keep your kids and car seats in the back!
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Old June 25th, 2008, 01:45 PM   #37
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Old June 25th, 2008, 01:49 PM   #38
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He does have a good point. Why don't school buses have seat belts yet???
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Old June 25th, 2008, 01:52 PM   #39
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I had 2 classes in college that studied crash safety, occupant safety, etc. Anyone who thinks their small child is safe in a regualr seatbelt is fooling themselves. They may not die, but they will have head traumas that are simply not needed and easily avoided. We also have a crash sled that had 5th percentile females and children dummies. The results of a properly placed seatbelt or properly secured booset seat/car seat is amazing. I'm not sure why people out there would think it is a bad law, unless you are just un-informed or just don't care about children you will never meet.



The law is meant to protect the majority. I have a feeling there about 1459234 x more 6 year olds riding in vehicles with 4 tires than a motorcycle.
I'm aware of the majority. Keeping that thought in mind, how many children are there? How many are severely injured or killed in a car accident?

Statistically speaking, the total rate of motor vehicle deaths per annum has remained largely unchanged for 3 decades last I looked into it. (statisticians love to play with numbers, and the safety freaks will point out that deaths per mile driven have plummeted - while I'm sure that's comforting to some, there are still roughly the same number of caskets filled due to motor vehicle deaths in this country every year)

While each and every one of those is in and of itself tragic, especially for those close to the child, that fact is that no matter how much legislation we put out there, how many safety advances we put forth people in general will get injured, including children - and in fact EVERYONE DIES, it's only a matter of time...

That may seem like a cold heartless view point. Before anyone casts judgment at me regarding it, I watched my 9 month old nephew die, as well as the neighbor's 2 year old first born/only son die. I also have two children of my own.

I guess my point in sounding off on the issue by playing devil's advocate, is that about a month ago, a friend of a friend buried their 6 year old daughter. She died playing on a swingset when she was twirling around in the swing, instead of actually swinging, and hung herself... I assure you there are thousands of 6 year olds in this country that practice unsafe swinging - should we legislate that too?
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Old June 25th, 2008, 01:52 PM   #40
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He does have a good point. Why don't school buses have seat belts yet???
I figured they would have put them in by now, are they still not there? If so, that is a huge inconsistancy.
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