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Old June 22nd, 2008, 06:23 AM   #81
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Last I checked the US encompassed more then just Michigan. Its this selfish attitude that is exemplified IMO by they UAW's and big three me me me attitude.

Claiming that the Aveo being made in Korea is GM's way of helping the company is the biggest load Ive heard.

If they and other companies would have stopped spitting out gas guzzling pigs when the rest of the world seen the oil crunch coming for years they would not be in the sinking boat their in. They are reaping what they sewed with lots full of unsold SUV and cars that barely see 30mpg going down hill with a tail wind.

The economy may not be touching you economically yet but it will. When it does I'm sure you will run out and buy and H2 or escalade to make that 40 mile commute to find work and cry like hell when you cant pass a gas station.
All the while calling yourself the good Michigander all the way to bankruptcy court..

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Old June 22nd, 2008, 06:45 AM   #82
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 07:52 AM   #83
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Your ignorance astounds me. The auto manufacturers made the cars that the consumer wanted to buy. Up until now, that has been high powered, low fuel economy vehicles.

You really have no idea how business works, do you?

You, along with many other people find it much easier to hate the domestic auto manufacturers and parrot things they heard other people say, such as this tripe from above:


You need to read a book and stop listening to the other dipshits in the breakroom at work.


Speaking of ignorance I think you better take a quick look in the mirror. Chastising someone for how they spend their hard earned money is about the most ignorant thing one can do. Not to mention that if you knew me you would know I own 3 Chevy's and 1 jeep ( two until yesterday ) at the same time. Sounds like someone who really hates domestic autos to me.

By the way I watch maybe 1 hour of TV a week and read about 100 times that and not just in the bathroom unlike you.


By your own logic just because Walmart is an American company, to do what their doing is ok. BS they are killing entire industries here in the states quicker then any non domestic auto company. Look further a head then your nose and see the big picture. Something Americans care not to do since its not effecting them now. When it does they sure are the loudest to whine about.
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 07:54 AM   #84
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Escalade and H2 are two of the three I am considering
Id a figured you more for a H1

Hey if you can afford it good on you
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Old June 22nd, 2008, 08:27 AM   #85
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Please guys, look up "Trickle Down Economics"

Very simple.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

Big guy makes money, buys lots of stuff from middle level guys, middle level guys buy lots of stuff from lower level guys......It's like a pyramid, the guy at the top makes no money (GM) The guy at the bottom (me, you, coffee shop owner, auto supplier, diner, jeep shop, ironman offroad, jcr, tims welding supply, etc) makes no money.

The big guy is HEADQUARTERED LOCALLY. SUPPORT HIM YOU FUCKING morons.
you fucking morons better not make him have to say it again....
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Speaking of ignorance I think you better take a quick look in the mirror. Chastising someone for how they spend their hard earned money is about the most ignorant thing one can do. Not to mention that if you knew me you would know I own 3 Chevy's and 1 jeep ( two until yesterday ) at the same time. Sounds like someone who really hates domestic autos to me.

By the way I watch maybe 1 hour of TV a week and read about 100 times that and not just in the bathroom unlike you.


By your own logic just because Walmart is an American company, to do what their doing is ok. BS they are killing entire industries here in the states quicker then any non domestic auto company. Look further a head then your nose and see the big picture. Something Americans care not to do since its not effecting them now. When it does they sure are the loudest to whine about.
If you possessed ANY reading comprehension whatsoever, you would understand that my viewpoint is, and has always been: if you are interested in Michigan's welfare, buying domestic autos helps the state. If you like to complain about Michigan's economy and drive a foreign vehicle, you're part of the problem.

I'm a firm believer of spending money where you want; I am trying to hammer a point home that money for GM / Chrysler / Ford is money for Michigan's economy. Why is that so hard for people to understand? If someone is truly interested in Michigan's economy they first look to spend money:
- Locally;
- Within Michigan.
Also, with so much online shopping taking place, Michigan loses a lot of sales tax revenue. At least now you can be "honest" and pay a generic fee on your state taxes to make up for the losses the state sees (or doesn't).

I think we think more alike than what you think - using the Walmart example is excellent and damn near exactly how I think. The general population of America doesn't seem concerned about long term welfare of the economy, just as long as they save a buck today.
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If you possessed ANY reading comprehension whatsoever, you would understand that my viewpoint is, and has always been: if you are interested in Michigan's welfare, buying domestic autos helps the state. If you like to complain about Michigan's economy and drive a foreign vehicle, you're part of the problem.

I'm a firm believer of spending money where you want; I am trying to hammer a point home that money for GM / Chrysler / Ford is money for Michigan's economy. Why is that so hard for people to understand? If someone is truly interested in Michigan's economy they first look to spend money:
- Locally;
- Within Michigan.
Also, with so much online shopping taking place, Michigan loses a lot of sales tax revenue. At least now you can be "honest" and pay a generic fee on your state taxes to make up for the losses the state sees (or doesn't).

I think we think more alike than what you think - using the Walmart example is excellent and damn near exactly how I think. The general population of America doesn't seem concerned about long term welfare of the economy, just as long as they save a buck today.

Why is it so hard for people to understand?
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By your own logic just because Walmart is an American company, to do what their doing is ok.
Are you retarded? Walmart isn't a manufacturer, it is a store.
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No, but it isn't helping support our economy.
so buying cheap tools from a place that manufactures overseas is ok?
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you fucking morons better not make him have to say it again....
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Comparing Walmart to the Domestic automakers is like comparing poop and dinner.

Walmart is a store, who orders goods from al over the place and does nothing for the local economy. It may be us owned, but other then a few $8/hr clerk jobs, they employ know one. If they made a concsious effort (like the auto makers do to keep work in the US) then of course we should support them. To further argue the point Meijer is a Michigan based company, I belive that walmart is in arkansas, so maybe if I lived down there I might feel somewhat different. But I don't, I support my local grocery store, and meijer when I need a department store....

GM, purchases parts from companies that have LOCAL offices, who hire LOCAL people. Those LOCAL companies purchase Materials from LOCAL companies, who hire LOCAL people. Yes some of their parts are ASSEMBLED offshore. But most of the white collar work (you know the jobs that actually pay enough to be able to drive the escalade or h2 that guzzles gas) stays (yup you guessed it) LOCAL.

I wonder why people think its ok for Toyota to make an assembly plant that builds a truck, doesn't have much design and engineering local, and sends all its profits back to japan? Oh I know why, because your sheep, great, Toyota has created 2,000 jobs in some podunk town in Indiana and they pay people $15 an hour. Great, what an awesome economic boost to a 100 mile radius.

Hmmm yet the domestics employ the whol friggin state of michigan, including those not even associated with the domestic automaker....yet we bitch when they assemble something offshore to try and cut costs so you'll actually buy it.

I'm so sick of hearing this argument, I see this shit every freaking day.......The thing that gets so old is the utter and complete lack of understanding I read.
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Don't make Scooter explain the difference between buying a $25 tool you could probably borrow and buying a car.
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I think this started out as Toyota cutting their own throats.

I'd like to see, Union idiots buying Toyotas and cutting their own throats.

The support of the American individual brought Toyota it's power, great job guy's.
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Don't make Scooter explain the difference between buying a $25 tool you could probably borrow and buying a car.
yeah, there is a difference in the price of the object. but its the same principle. you opted out of buying a quality American made product in favor of saving a buck. it has the same effect whether its a toyota car, cheap walmart goods, or a shitty HF slide hammer.
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Are you retarded? Walmart isn't a manufacturer, it is a store.
And you are correct they are not a manufacturer. However they demand their suppliers give them goods at ridiculously low prices. These US companies in turn send all the manufacturing overseas in order to meet the low price.

Yes they sell to you for a dollar cheaper here or two there but in the process they have lined their pockets deeper with lower wholesale prices and lost American jobs.

We wont even get into the incentives cities give them to open these stores in our towns and cost us our tax dollar.

While your concerned with one industry I am concerned about all industry and everyones jobs in the states. Not just Michigan's.

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as he types on a key board from china sitting on a chair form china dressed in clothing made in china. I bet he does not even use foreign gas or oil:tonka:
Comparing a $25,000 car to a $20 shirt is a big fucking difference.
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Comparing a $25,000 car to a $20 shirt is a big fucking difference.
$20 shirt times 10 million shirts is a big deal to the dude making shirts and all the othe shit that goes over seas

how often do you buy a $25000 car once every 5 or 6 years
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The comsumers demand it, the manufacturers supply it. That's it.
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$20 shirt times 10 million shirts is a big deal to the dude making shirts and all the othe shit that goes over seas

how often do you buy a $25000 car once every 5 or 6 years
exactly.
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The comsumers demand it, the manufacturers supply it. That's it.
That's odd; a chemist with a monster geo speaks the voice of reason.

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