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Old June 13th, 2008, 08:53 PM   #21
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Source? My employer claims to require 30 days notice in order to be eligible for time off paid out.


Closest I see is this:
http://www.michigan.gov/dleg/0,1607,...1967--,00.html
The policy covers the employers ass.

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It is interesting to see the dichotomy of answers. The bottom dwellers are telling you to screw them and just quit. Those that I know with better jobs are telling you to give them the two weeks notice. It sounds like they have been fair with you despite the pay cut after losing clients. Do what you want, but never burn bridges. Even when I got fired from a 6-figure job by extreme assholes, I walked out shaking hands with a smile on my face. Funny who shows up in other important jobs in other companies years down the road. One of them would hire me right now at another company if I expresses interest. Give them the 2-weeks notice. Explain why you are leaving and leave the decision up to them if you work those 2 weeks or not.
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I gave 1 day & 1/2 notice. I even interviewed my own replacement during the last day there.

I did find something interesting while on a website for HR representatives. Michigan is a "must pay" state - if you are eligible for vacation time as part of your compensation package you are entitled to be paid for accrued vacation pay upon your departure. I had 18 days that I didn't use when I left. I (and my new boss) thought I should see if I can collect on that.
Anyone out there actually get their vacation pay when leaving? I thought about putting in for 2-3 weeks of vacation time and start working for my new employer while "on vacation" and I think it would have worked since they kept telling me to take time off to "get myself healthy" since I had a back injury that was causing a lot of pain.
Yes, you are entitled to the vacation time you have actually accrued up to your last day of employment. If you get 4 weeks vacation per year, and you quit 1/4 of the way into the year, you would only get 1 week paid, unless you have already used a week or more of vacation. However, if you used all 4 weeks before you quit, I don't believe they can require you to pay back the other 3.
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Old June 13th, 2008, 09:03 PM   #24
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Source? My employer claims to require 30 days notice in order to be eligible for time off paid out.


Closest I see is this:
http://www.michigan.gov/dleg/0,1607,...1967--,00.html
The policy covers the employers ass.
That wasn't where I found the info. It was actually on a site that lists the legal dos and don'ts for HR reps which is the position I have now.
My previous contract employer left the option up to the individual site manager/director. I once asked mine how he handled supervisors leaving and he said he always had security walk the person who put in notice out within the hour since he felt they were no longer "useful" as employees since they knew they were leaving.
That's why I gave him 1 day's notice when I left.
I have the site bookmarked on my computer at work but can probably find an e-mail from them in my work e-mail that I can access from here.
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Old June 13th, 2008, 09:07 PM   #25
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Yes, you are entitled to the vacation time you have actually accrued up to your last day of employment. If you get 4 weeks vacation per year, and you quit 1/4 of the way into the year, you would only get 1 week paid, unless you have already used a week or more of vacation. However, if you used all 4 weeks before you quit, I don't believe they can require you to pay back the other 3.
I don't think they can ask for it back, either especially since they were "recommending" that I take the time off. Earlier in the year they gave me a week off without pay stating that my job performance was suffering. It sure was, I could barely walk. After the fact I was told (2 weeks later) that I could apply vacation time to that week if I so wished. I left the 2nd week in April. The only requirements that we had for pto time eligibility was that we worked beyond our anniversary date of the calendar year. Mine was Feb. 2nd. I had to work 6 years for the company to reach the 4 weeks of pto time that was available after 5 years. The employee handbook was written so that it could be used to the employer's advantage - everything was vague.
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www.legalworkplace.com

has info on each state
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Yes, you are entitled to the vacation time you have actually accrued up to your last day of employment. If you get 4 weeks vacation per year, and you quit 1/4 of the way into the year, you would only get 1 week paid, unless you have already used a week or more of vacation. However, if you used all 4 weeks before you quit, I don't believe they can require you to pay back the other 3.

I just went through this, and my company did make me pay for the extra 10 hours of vacation time I had used. I don't know if it's a state law, or if it was company policy, but they can take that out of your last pay check.

As far as the notice, I think you've got to put in your two weeks. Of course, that's after you have a deal in writing. If you put in your two weeks, you're showing your respect to your current/previous employer. And whether they are in a bad situation or not, it's always good to have those contacts in your back pocket. Whether the new job doesn't work out, or just for networking.

just my .02.....
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www.legalworkplace.com

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Alright I signed up for that site and just starting to get into this... not looking good for your must pay claim.


Vacation

1. Are employers required by law to pay employees upon termination for unused vacation days?

The answer depends on the state or states in which your company operates. Many states don't address the issue of vacation pay upon termination. A few states come right out and say that, upon termination, employers must pay for accrued or earned vacation. Most states take a middle ground. They include earned vacation as part of wages, and wages must be paid to employees upon termination. Or they don't push vacation pay into the wages column, but do require that you follow your company policy when it comes to vacation pay. In other words, if your policy provides for payment of accrued fringe benefits, including vacation, upon termination, then you must pay up. And if your policy is to pay for vacations, then you must pay for the accrued part upon termination.

still looking though... but highly doubtful that a 3rd party opinion is going to trump Michigan.gov's info.

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Two years before I left the company my co-supervisor at the Tech Center left and was paid her last 2 weeks of vacation time that she hadn't used. She was even going to work for our competition and had even signed a non-compete clause.
We had a different site director there who was more tolerant and we had no problem replacing Liz since she was hardly there or hiding someplace with her employees most of the time. She was always getting written up for something or other and I would have to cover for her and go somewhere to call her on her cell to get her back to where she needed to be.
The company I worked for wasn't consistent in anything. That's why the vague handbook worked out so well.
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Old June 13th, 2008, 09:47 PM   #30
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I should mention that I now work for my brother-in-law and my husband. They own buildings/businesses side-by-side so I didn't need to worry much about leaving my previous job. I could have put in a 2 weeks notice since it took 2 weeks for them to get my office ready by clearing it out and having it painted and carpet cleaned and I had to get my head ready for all that "family" time I'm experiencing now. My sister-in-law and mother-in-law are there, too.
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Old June 13th, 2008, 09:53 PM   #31
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I work for a company that is on the may be unstable side. I found a job and spoke to my boss about how much lead time they would like before I commited to the other job. The company that offered me the job was ok waiting for 2 weeks but also said I could start sooner if my current employer told me to take a hike right away. I ended up quiting my job for about 6 minutes until the owner of the company came up to me and gave me a generous counter offer to keep me with the company. The owner also assured me that the company was doing ok and that I shouldn't worry about them going out of business in the near future.

I guess what I'm trying to say is be a professional and keep the lines of communication open. After that, the bottom line is you have to look out for #1.
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not only did I give the proper two weeks notice, but I let my supervisors know nearly a year in advance that I was looking for employment elsewhere, but would continue to do the tasks assigned to me in the interim in as efficient a manner as possible, and would do what I could to ease any transition.

boring backstory: my supervisors, while not being close to a innocent, had put me on loan with the County's IT Department for nearly 4 years, with the mutual understanding that it would turn into a transfer, when the actual transfer failed to materialize, and when IT found out they needed to come up with funding, they sent me back to my paid Division. my actual supervisors were nearly as pissed as I was.

the only blemish/thing I wish I hadn't done was when I initially found out, I sent out two, very lengthy e-mails - not bashing really, but nothing was gained by it. in the long run, the manner in which I handled it inside the trade led to a former supervisor recruiting me - recruiting me so heavily in fact, that the job description was rewritten...
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I agree that you should give your employer notice, especially if you're currently on good terms with them. I even tell my managers and senior managers that I'm looking for new positions, as RyeBread said. I tell them I have to do what's best for me, but will continue doing my job for the duration. Thus far, all the managers have been very friendly and cool about it, mostly because they would have done the same thing.

Most people appreciate honesty, and if they get pissed, you don't really want to work there anyways, they are bad managers. I'm upset when people leave my teams after investing months training them, but I can appreciate their situations, and know they're doing what's best for them. You can't expect to hold someone hostage in the work place, and make them unhappy.
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There is no law that requires you to give 2 weeks notice. That is just a "courtesy" that people ask for. If your new company is asking you to start right away then so be it. Turn in your shortened notice and start your new job/ career. It is very difficult to burn a bridge these days as long as you are/ were an employee in good standing. I.E. good reviews/ job performance, attendance, etc. A person may hold a grudge against you for "screwing them" , but your performance reviews are what attest to your ability to do the job.

If you feel that your shortened notice is in any way hindering you from receiving a good recommendation then that is something that can be taken up with a higher power. (Again as long as your performance reviews are in good standing). You can not be dicked around for someone holding a grudge. There is very little that can be asked for and told when a person calls for a reference.
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my last job I didn't give notice, my employer was pissed, didn't make a differance, he gave everyone bad reviews because he does not like to give up employees, I burnt that bridge when I told him I didn't give notice because I didn't feel like dealing with his shit. every other job I've given notice at.

upto you man, if you think they were a fair employer, give notice, if not, don't if you want to, find the middle ground.
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I would be careful about a company that is pressing you to start right away and not allow you to give your former employer 2 weeks. It could be a sign of things to come.

If they don't honor a basic thing like that, how will it be when you're working there? If they are just asking to see what you can do, then it's reasonable. If they start dangling the job on you walking early from your old job then it would put up huge warning flags in my head.

To me, that's the first step towards them wanting you to do casual OT (casual = no pay). Maybe a little at first, then it's the norm and they won't mind asking for an extra 20. Then they start giving you a hard time on taking vacations, then even a day off or half day off. Next thing you know you're looking for a new gig because they have no scruples.
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There is no law that requires you to give 2 weeks notice. That is just a "courtesy" that people ask for. If your new company is asking you to start right away then so be it. Turn in your shortened notice and start your new job/ career. It is very difficult to burn a bridge these days as long as you are/ were an employee in good standing. I.E. good reviews/ job performance, attendance, etc. A person may hold a grudge against you for "screwing them" , but your performance reviews are what attest to your ability to do the job.

If you feel that your shortened notice is in any way hindering you from receiving a good recommendation then that is something that can be taken up with a higher power. (Again as long as your performance reviews are in good standing). You can not be dicked around for someone holding a grudge. There is very little that can be asked for and told when a person calls for a reference.
It's not about performance reviews. It's about not burning the bridge. You never know where your former boss or co-workers will end up at. They might be the deciding factor in whether you get hired the next time you're on the job hunt.
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It is interesting to see the dichotomy of answers. The bottom dwellers are telling you to screw them and just quit. Those that I know with better jobs are telling you to give them the two weeks notice. It sounds like they have been fair with you despite the pay cut after losing clients. Do what you want, but never burn bridges. Even when I got fired from a 6-figure job by extreme assholes, I walked out shaking hands with a smile on my face. Funny who shows up in other important jobs in other companies years down the road. One of them would hire me right now at another company if I expresses interest. Give them the 2-weeks notice. Explain why you are leaving and leave the decision up to them if you work those 2 weeks or not.
I am not a bottom dweller. I sure am not a company kiss ass either. Someday when you get fired with out ever having any disiplinary issues previuos you might change you tune.
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It is interesting to see the dichotomy of answers. The bottom dwellers are telling you to screw them and just quit. Those that I know with better jobs are telling you to give them the two weeks notice. It sounds like they have been fair with you despite the pay cut after losing clients. Do what you want, but never burn bridges. Even when I got fired from a 6-figure job by extreme assholes, I walked out shaking hands with a smile on my face. Funny who shows up in other important jobs in other companies years down the road. One of them would hire me right now at another company if I expresses interest. Give them the 2-weeks notice. Explain why you are leaving and leave the decision up to them if you work those 2 weeks or not.
Spot on.

I've been at both ends. I've given my 2 weeks & been asked to leave and also given 2 weeks and asked to stay longer.

Now I'm in management & I agree that you should give the 2 weeks. I also agree with JohnnyJ that you should be sure of the new employer's intentions. A new employer should always recognize that a new hire with proper integretity will want to give 2 weeks.

NEVER EVER BURN A BRIDGE. Especially in today's economy.
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