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Old June 8th, 2008, 07:46 PM   #1
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Question UP atv trail info. Help needed

I have several questions.

Can a John Deere Gator be used on the UP atv trails?

If so can anyone suggest a good trail system thats remote and has decent camping, fishing?

Thanks for the help!
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Old June 8th, 2008, 09:27 PM   #2
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A John Deere gator could probably be operated anywhere in the UP on a dirt road/trail that is public land with out a single issue. Legally I can't answer your question however.
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Old June 9th, 2008, 01:41 AM   #3
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I've got an ORV sticker for the trails and a slow moving vehicle triangle on the back of our mule for "getting to the trails" and backroads. Never had a problem in 2+ yrs.
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I'm sure if you have an ORV sticker., the Gator can be operated anywhere on legal ORV trails in the UP. I couldn't suggest a "good trail system", however. As far as fishing goes, I wouldn't know of any good fishing holes in the UP.

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i think there is a maximum width for the atv trails,what it is i am not sure.
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A side-by-side is generally too wide for an ORV "trail" and must stay to routes.

A quote from The Michigan Offroad vehicle handbook:

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ORV Land Use Definitions
The DNR administers over 4 million acres of land used for a variety of purposes. Wise use of those lands includes preserving natural features and wildlife habitat and encouraging a variety of recreational uses. Just as other users are limited in their activities in order to protect and conserve these vital resources while minimizing conflicts with other activities, ORV enthusiasts are restricted in where and how they may operate.

Signs that you may see on state roads, trails, and routes are shown on the Trail Signs page.

The following terms may be used when describing where or how ORVs may be operated on state-owned lands:

Designated: Any place that is posted as open for ORV use with appropriate signs.
Designated Area: An area that is signed for cross-country ORV use by the DNR. An ORV license is required.
Designated Route: A forest or county road that has been signed for ORV use by the DNR. Use of these roads is allowed for ORVs of all sizes. Either an ORV license or a Secretary of State (SOS) conventional license is required.
Forest Roads: Hard-surfaced roads, gravel and dirt roads, and other routes that can be traveled by a conventional 2-wheel-drive vehicle designed for highway use (passenger car). Forest roads include fire lanes and logging roads. Forest roads do not include any state, federal, or county highways or roads. In general, forest road means a road other than a county or state road on which a family car can operate without assistance.
Designated ORV Trail: Designated paths or ways that can only be traveled by vehicles that are less than 50 inches in width. An ORV license is required.
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The UP is a MUCH different animal then the lower penninsula. While the same rules and laws apply, the enorcement of those rules is different.

If you operate with respect, on public land and well traveled roads/trails. I can not forsee you having any problems using the gator to get to and from fishing holes.

It's nice to see you taking the initiative to find out what is and is not legal. BEFORE you head out. I think your best bet would be to call the DNR or Police Department in the area you plan to visit and get their suggestions. After all, they are the guys who would serve you the ticket.
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I think your best bet would be to call the DNR or Police Department in the area you plan to visit and get their suggestions. After all, they are the guys who would serve you the ticket.
I agree with what you say, except for the last part - I think one of our community's biggest gripes is that there is too much open to interpretation of the conservation officer, i.e. what is okay in one officer's mind might get you a ticket from another.
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I agree with what you say, except for the last part - I think one of our community's biggest gripes is that there is too much open to interpretation of the conservation officer, i.e. what is okay in one officer's mind might get you a ticket from another.
I don't disagree with what you are saying. But to avoid the ticket the best thing to do is talk to the local enforcement agency and ask them what is legal and do what they say. That way you don't get in trouble.

Just like noise ordinance on boats, certain areas the officers are "cool" other areas like Grand Haven no one goes if they are close or over the limit because those officers are "not cool"

Every law will have interpretation, every officer will interpret it differently. Further every officer will enforce differently based on his mood, motivation, etc. Nothing is black and white, nor will it ever be.
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I have nothing else to add, except maybe, a SHAMOME!!!
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A side-by-side is generally too wide for an ORV "trail" and must stay to routes.
The problem is, the DNR has ORV Trail signs posted on forest roads that are wide enough to support full size vehicles. This erronous marking are left over from the original ORV law P.A. 319 when SOS vehicle could be co anywhere in the woods and they posted ORV Trail marking to show M/C and Quads (non-SOS) are allowed there also.
I would argue that if the road is large/wide enogh to support passage of the vehicle you can be there.
The cavet is every DNR officer interpets things differently.
That's the issue with Drummond Is. right now and the 'remarking' of old forest roads that we used to be allowd to be on.
Personally I think the department is pulling a sham on the full size community and it's being perpetuated by the M/C and ATV community.
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The Hiawatha National Forest system has designated some of their roads as OHV allowed and others aren't. I would suggest, if you are going to be on Federal land, that you should sop by the forest service headquarters on US-2 just outside of St. Ignace.
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I don't disagree with what you are saying. But to avoid the ticket the best thing to do is talk to the local enforcement agency and ask them what is legal and do what they say. That way you don't get in trouble.

Just like noise ordinance on boats, certain areas the officers are "cool" other areas like Grand Haven no one goes if they are close or over the limit because those officers are "not cool"

Every law will have interpretation, every officer will interpret it differently. Further every officer will enforce differently based on his mood, motivation, etc. Nothing is black and white, nor will it ever be.


More on this Grand Haven noise ordinance....

My buddy (the DNR CO) and I were gonna take over the river flying a pirate flag on the boat, dressing like pirates, and playing the lazy-town pirate song and handing out a ton of eye-patches to kids along the water just to make some kids smile.

I know, it sounds retarded, but its always fun to make a spectacle of yourself while making others smile.
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Noise ordinance is mainly for boat exhaust
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OK, good, because all hell is gonna break loose on the 3rd of July in front of the musical fountain, including a couple pirate 'ships', a bunch of happy kids, and a pirate battle right in the river.

I bet someone will be detained, lol. Luckily my buddies that are behind this whole stunt are a state police officer/volunteer firefighter, and the other is a CO with the DNR, so hopefully we wont get in too much trouble.
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OK, good, because all hell is gonna break loose on the 3rd of July in front of the musical fountain, including a couple pirate 'ships', a bunch of happy kids, and a pirate battle right in the river.

I bet someone will be detained, lol. Luckily my buddies that are behind this whole stunt are a state police officer/volunteer firefighter, and the other is a CO with the DNR, so hopefully we wont get in too much trouble.
so when they get arrested i can stab someone light a house on fire and poach illegal game and be ok ?

isnt max trail width 55" or something close ? I know the polaris RAZR is right at the limit
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isnt max trail width 55" or something close ? I know the polaris RAZR is right at the limit

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