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Old June 8th, 2008, 09:38 PM   #21
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have you looked into the ktm super duke?
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Old June 9th, 2008, 06:42 AM   #22
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have you looked into the ktm super duke?
Actually, no. Not until you just mentioned it. I just took a look at it though and I kinda dig it. I'll have to head out to C&C cycle and see if they have one to climb around on. Thanks.
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Old June 9th, 2008, 10:03 AM   #23
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Buying a bike to save gas fails nearly every time simply because:
  1. People don't figure out how much they will actually have to ride it in order to come out ahead on gas after forking over the purchase price.
  2. Winter, duh. :miff: You won't be riding towards coming out ahead on gas for many months of the year in Michigan.
  3. People end up not sticking to the plan and using the bike to commute after experiencing what commuting on a bike is like due to traffic in general, near-misses, hot days, rain, and looking all fucked-up at work due to the protective gear.

If you insist on buying one, and you favor the v-twin design, I would recommend a carburated Evo-powered Buell - like an S1 Lightning, S2 Thunderbolt, or M2 Cyclone. Resale values are low on these, they are user-friendly from a mechanical standpoint, they use common Harley twin parts, have a huge aftermarket, and are easily modified/tricked out to look/sound very badass. You'll have over 100 ft/lbs right off idle with little work (which is where the real fun is) and your top speed will be around 140 mph. If you want more, fork over a couple grand and swap-in an aftermarket 6-speed for 160+.

Stay away from the fuel-injected models. They require a lot more user-intervention, although laptop diagnostics have changed that a lot. In the beginning, X1 and S3 owners were pretty much slaves to the dealer's scan tools due to the non-correcting nature of the bike's system.

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Old June 9th, 2008, 10:11 AM   #24
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I've done the commute on my 1972 XS2 650 and the heat, rain, cold weather really sucks on a motorcycle. It's fine for recreational riding. I've been looking at scooters though myself.
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Buying a bike to save gas fails nearly every time simply because:...
I can agree with that. He did say "recreation use" and he is using this to replace another hobby. I will agree with this, if you want it for recreation use, and to save a bit of money at times, then yes, a sport bike is for you. My bike only cost me money. It was used soley for recreation and not really every as basic transportation. If you want to save money, buy a base model civic. You will save much more.

Unless you are like my dad. He has about 170k miles on his goldwing and will surely have over 200k by the end of the year. To do that, you have to ride rain, shine, light snow, thunderstorms etc. and have some good equipment. He will honestly get up, put a rain suit on and head to work in a thunderstorm. He has a half hour commute. He also has heated grips and commonly wears a snowmobile suit. He has been caught places with ice on the roads and will drive in light snow. He is an exception when it comes to saving money owning a motorcycle.
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Old June 9th, 2008, 10:52 AM   #26
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Buying a bike to save gas fails nearly every time simply because:
I thought of that already. The bike probably will get ridden to/ from work on sunny, warm days, but the primary usage is going to be recreation. I've got a pickup truck that gets 20MPG that I use for my daily driver. It's not the best on gas, but it's also not that bad.

However, when I want to go upnorth with my Dad and ride the quads, now we're talking where I'll "save" money. Right now, I've got 2 unused ATVs sitting in the garage. I haven't ridden either of them in almost 2 full years. The problem is that if I want to go upnorth, I've got to wake up at 4am, load up the quads on the trailer, put all the gear in the bed, toss my grumpy ass dad in the passenger seat, and drive 2-3 hours to get to where I can legally ride the quads. Then, I spend a few hours out on the trails. Then, we get back to the truck, reload the quads, and drive 2-3 hours home.

With a trailer, 2 quads, 2 gas cans, 2 sets of gear, 2 people, and a cooler with some ice and gatorade, my 20MPG truck becomes a 12-15MPG truck. Meaning, once I get where we're going, I have to fill up the gas tank again. Then, when I get home, I have to fill it again. So it's 3 tanks of gas for one trip. $50-60 to fill up x 3 = $150-180 in just fuel for the truck. Not counting fuel for the quads or any meals we might stop for. For ONE DAY of recreation...

Now... lets say I had a crappy day at work and want to go drive around to blow off some steam. I can hop on the bike, which even if it's empty costs no more than $20 to fill, and I can go ride Hines Drive a few dozen times. Or I can jet out to Howell to go visit some friends. The point is, I don't have to load it in my truck and drive it 3 hours away to ride it.

So while I'm using the excuse that I'll ride it to work, that's not the true reason I'm doing it. I'm just trying to come up with more and more justifications for spending MORE money.

For those keeping tabs, I'm headed to Rosenau Powersports and MAYBE Wolvering HD after work. Wolverine is advertising a Speed Triple for sale, so I might go check that out.
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Old June 9th, 2008, 10:59 AM   #27
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For those keeping tabs, I'm headed to Rosenau Powersports and MAYBE Wolvering HD after work. Wolverine is advertising a Speed Triple for sale, so I might go check that out.
My brother works at Plymouth Powersports on Ann Arbor Rd.

However, you will only find Jap bikes, so if you change your mind....he could probably save you some coin.
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20mpg truck vs 60mpg bike = 1/3 the cost to drive
6.67cents per mile on the bike and 20 cents per mile in the truck meaning 13.33cents per mile savings.
$6,000 bike / 13.33cents/mile = 45,000 miles until it pays for itself.
This doesn't include insurance costs though, which are about as much as bike payments if you buy a brand new sportbike.

On the other hand, you could drive an old VW rabbit that gets between 50 and 60mpg and drive it for 45,000 miles and save enough money to get a bike.
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Old June 9th, 2008, 11:24 AM   #29
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20mpg truck vs 60mpg bike = 1/3 the cost to drive
6.67cents per mile on the bike and 20 cents per mile in the truck meaning 13.33cents per mile savings.
$6,000 bike / 13.33cents/mile = 45,000 miles until it pays for itself.
This doesn't include insurance costs though, which are about as much as bike payments if you buy a brand new sportbike.

On the other hand, you could drive an old VW rabbit that gets between 50 and 60mpg and drive it for 45,000 miles and save enough money to get a bike.
Don't forget tires. Sport bikes like tires.
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License & Registration Costs, motorcycle indorsment costs, tires, maintenance, helmets, clothing ( Leathers ), and all misc. gear. These all add up but they are fun. I just picked up a used Goldwing myself. I know it's not a sport bike but it sure is comfy to ride.
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Old June 9th, 2008, 12:12 PM   #31
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dont forget that f'n catastrophic claims insurance add on the state dicked us with.
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I've had 7 bikes in the past and have spent a good amount of time looking at other bikes throughout my years of riding. Ducatis are very narrow bikes compared to others. Nothing like riding a Jap bike. The Jap bikes are quite reliable and will last you until you crash or kill yourself on them. Harleys...you are buying into a lifestyle. Some of their bikes are really nice and some suck (Cough...Sportsters). I've also ridden an Excelsior Henderson, a Ural, and others. I finally ended up with a 2000 Victory V92SC. It's fuel injected and I bought the software for it...so I do all of my own tuning with my laptop. Power Commander III, a D&D pipe and performance chip. And I put a Michelin Pilot Sport car tire on the back because I was tired of only getting 8,000 miles on a rear tire. I put the cover on it the first week of December and got it back on the road the first week in February. If I don't have to ride in the rain, I dont...but I still get caught in it often enough. I put between 10-12K miles on it a year.

If you are motivated enough and really want that Ducati...just go for it. You might not be able to get the software to tune it yourself (I know only a few other Vic owners who have it, like me). You might have to pay more for dealer tune ups and maintenance. Hell...it costs me $57 to do an oil change on my bike myself (6 quarts and a filter)...no idea what the dealer charges.


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how does that handle? loks kinda scary to me
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I'd kill a man for a 749 Black.
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It handles really awesome...and I am not embellishing the truth. I'd race any of you thru the twisties with my car tire on my bike. And it is a dream on the highway and when you have to do a lot of stopping and starting...don't even have to put your feet down.

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Old June 9th, 2008, 06:23 PM   #37
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lol. you've got to be kidding me. talk about absolutely ruining a bikes handling and basically making it unsafe to lean in a turn.

I suppose if your commute was a perfectly straight line with no turns it'd be a good idea, but if you have to turn especially if the pavement is a bit slick good luck.

Also, motorcycle tires don't last as long as cars because they are only designed to work on one plane. A motorcycle has many more forces working on the tire while it is leaning. Therefore, for the proper traction, wear decreases. Still there are many touring tires out there that will get over 10000 miles. Still not 50000 like a car, but do I have to remind you IT'S A FUCKING MOTORCYCLE? Besides, unless you are getting super high performance tires, a rear bike tire is like $80-120. Not exactly worth risking your safety, or at the very least screwing up the handling that the manufacturer spent so much time to get right.
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It handles really awesome...and I am not embellishing the truth. I'd race any of you thru the twisties with my car tire on my bike. And it is a dream on the highway and when you have to do a lot of stopping and starting...don't even have to put your feet down.

Sorry for the hijack.
I hope you run the tire at a reasonable pressure. If your running it somewhat low to try to lesson the square edge feel, your building lots of heat that that tire was never designed to take.

I don't mean to rip on you, but every time a bike crashes, somebody trys to link it with how much bikes are completely unsafe and shouldn't be on the road. Doing something stupid only raises your "how soon till next crash" ratio.

It's not IF, but WHEN your going to crash your bike. Gravity always wins.
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You sirs , are stating an opinion. And I'll still race you thru a corner to prove how wrong your opinion is. And I'm running it slightly high on pressure.
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And at $245 a pop to put a new Dunlop Sportmax tire on the rear...well after you put 7 or 8 tires on and I'm still cruising by on my original car tire...then we'll talk.
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