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Old June 6th, 2008, 12:41 PM   #21
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Obama in '08!

If he wins it will either be because the opponents were still sitting on their asses quarterbacking from their keyboard, or we beat them down in the streets.

Bring it.
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Old June 6th, 2008, 01:11 PM   #22
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Maybe he should have kept his penis to himself.
I am not saying that. Any "man" that lays with a women needs to be ready to handle what happens later.

What I am saying is that for some reason, the common thought in the courts is that the mother's house is the best place. Nevermind that mom might have left for two years, and never have seen her kids, but she comes back and the court thinks that her home is better.

Also, *thinking way outside the box, because I know this would not happen in your realtionship*, but you after you and Amber (IIRC that is your fiancies name), get married, she gets pregnant, but then has seconds thoughts. Now you really want the child, but she says no, and has the big A. Nothing you could do about it. How happy would you be?
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Old June 6th, 2008, 01:17 PM   #23
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Obama in '08!

If he wins it will either be because the opponents were still sitting on their asses quarterbacking from their keyboard, or we beat them down in the streets.

Bring it.
yeah fucking right. you liberal fags can hardly beat off, let alone beat up republican gun owners.
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Old June 6th, 2008, 01:30 PM   #24
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yeah fucking right. you liberal fags can hardly beat off, let alone beat up republican gun owners.
You know where I live.
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Old June 6th, 2008, 03:48 PM   #25
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yeah fucking right. you liberal fags can hardly beat off, let alone beat up republican gun owners.

all the republican gun owners I know are overweight wanabe military people who would have a heart attack trying to run 10 feet
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Old June 6th, 2008, 04:28 PM   #26
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Why, she is out of the picture now. Even if she runs as VP.
Until she's has obama shot, takes the presidency and blames the murder on some southern red neck.
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Old June 6th, 2008, 04:34 PM   #27
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If a guy says he doesn't want to have the baby and the girl says she does, does he have to pay child support? If the girl says she doesn't want the baby... she can just go get an abortion or give it up for adoption, right? Even if the guy says he wants it.

Does a girl have to pay child support if the male has exclusive rights to the child?
Rape would count yes. Yes to ure first question if the woman pushes for it or for Medicaid. When the woman is pregnant, she can get an abortion with out the male, but adoption she has to have the males consent or he adopts the child.
And yes, if one parent has the child , then the other has to pay child support, father or mother.

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Old June 6th, 2008, 05:51 PM   #28
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Also, *thinking way outside the box, because I know this would not happen in your realtionship*, but you after you and Amber (IIRC that is your fiancies name), get married, she gets pregnant, but then has seconds thoughts. Now you really want the child, but she says no, and has the big A. Nothing you could do about it. How happy would you be?
This is an easy question. I don't really want kids right now... and while I could never decide (with my wife of course) to abort a baby, if I had no say in the matter I would divorce Amber and be child free.

I am not going to be married to someone who would abort a child, + I don't really want a kid.
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Old June 6th, 2008, 08:32 PM   #29
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I would like a moment in the ring, call me in boss!
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Old June 7th, 2008, 06:47 AM   #30
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I would like a moment in the ring, call me in boss!

I'm not the boss but I give you the floor if it's mine to give. I think I already know what your going to say.

I don't think these two issues are the most relevant to the election but since that is the topic then here are some facts related to these two issues I'll add to the conversation.....


Mccain:

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/john_mccain.htm

Pro-life and an advocate for the Rights of Man everywhere. (Feb 2008)
GovWatch: 1999: Don't force women to have illegal operations. (Feb 2008)
Abortion issue shows what kind of country we are. (Aug 2007)
Concerned if women undergo illegal dangerous operations. (May 2007)
Supports federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. (May 2007)
Prosecute abortion doctors, not women who get them. (Jan 2000)
“Family Conference” if daughter wanted an abortion. (Jan 2000)
Abortion OK if raped; and no testing for rape. (Jan 2000)
Supports fetal tissue research; against over-intensity. (Jan 2000)
Overturn Roe v. Wade, but keep incest & rape exceptions. (Jan 2000)
Support adoption & foster care; work together on abortion. (Oct 1999)
Wants Roe vs. Wade made irrelevant, but would not repeal it. (Aug 1999)
Opposes partial-birth abortions & public financing. (Aug 1999)
Nominate justices based on experience, and values. (Jun 1999)
Restrict abortions; no partial-birth; no public funding. (Jul 1998)

Voting Record

Supports repealing Roe v. Wade. (May 2007)
Voted YES on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
Rated 75% by the NRLC, indicating a mixed record on abortion. (Dec 2006)

Guns:

I know how to use guns; but I don't own one. (Nov 2007)
Prosecute criminals, not citizens for gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
Don't hold gun manufacturers liable for crimes. (Sep 2007)
Opposes restrictions on assault weapons and ammunition types. (Sep 2007)
Calls for GOP "tolerance" of closing gun show loopholes. (May 2002)
Ban cheap guns; require safety locks; for gun show checks. (Aug 1999)
Supports ban on certain assault weapons. (Aug 1999)
Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban. (Aug 1999)
Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos. (Aug 1999)
Punish criminals who abuse 2nd Amendment rights. (May 1999)
Youth Violence Prevention Act restricts guns for kids. (May 1999)
Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
Ban gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC. (Mar 2007)


Obama:

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm

Ok for state to restrict late-term partial birth abortion. (Apr 2008)
We can find common ground between pro-choice and pro-life. (Apr 2008)
Undecided on whether life begins at conception. (Apr 2008)
Teach teens about abstinence and also about contraception. (Apr 2008)
GovWatch: Obama's "present" votes were a requested strategy. (Feb 2008)
Expand access to contraception; reduce unintended pregnancy. (Feb 2008)
Rated 100% by NARAL on pro-choice votes in 2005, 2006 & 2007. (Jan 2008)
Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases. (Aug 2007)
Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)
Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006)
Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006)
Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)
Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)
Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)

Guns:

Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
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Old June 7th, 2008, 11:32 AM   #31
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Roe vs. Wade will never be overturned. The end.

Obama has not done anything impressive nor do I think he would be a good president.

McCain is more liberal then republician, but at least it is not Clinton or Obama.

Dave Kerwin is going to talk in this thread and no one is going to listen, but instead just rile him up.

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Old June 8th, 2008, 08:18 AM   #32
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Roe vs. Wade will never be overturned. The end.
Ahh, but it should be.
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Old June 8th, 2008, 12:34 PM   #33
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McCain is more liberal then republician, but at least it is not Clinton or Obama.
McCain has done almost nothing to impress me besides talking about being fair with local resources. IE no drilling in AK, no water taken from the Great Lakes, etc...

Besides that I don't really agree with him on much. I may be voting Libertarian Party this election.
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Old June 8th, 2008, 03:19 PM   #34
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how do you vote no against reducing teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. Wow.
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Old June 8th, 2008, 04:05 PM   #35
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how do you vote no against reducing teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. Wow.
Are you talking about me?

Abortion/teen pregnancy isn't even on my political selection radar... Once welfare is hard as shit to get, that problem will take care of itself.
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Old June 8th, 2008, 05:52 PM   #36
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Are you talking about me?

Abortion/teen pregnancy isn't even on my political selection radar... Once welfare is hard as shit to get, that problem will take care of itself.
No... I was referring to 3-foot's post about how they voted. I don't see why McCain won't support education and contraceptives about pregnancy. God's way or the highway I guess. So much for church and state.
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If only I cared about debating this stuff any more. Let me know when we get to the part were we talk about either

A. The Validity of the bible
B. Homosexuality
C. The atrocities of Christians
D. Abortion (oh wait....)


It never stops.
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Old June 8th, 2008, 07:49 PM   #38
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how do you vote no against reducing teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. Wow.
x2.

Teaching abstenance and abstenance alone, causes teens who are not going to abstain to be ill-educated and underinformed about safe sex and prevention.

= not kewl.

In a perfect world, the abstenance talk is all we'd need, but, sadly, that just isn't the case.
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too bad our society frowns so hard on abortion.
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Old June 8th, 2008, 09:09 PM   #40
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x2.

Teaching abstenance and abstenance alone, causes teens who are not going to abstain to be ill-educated and underinformed about safe sex and prevention.

= not kewl.

In a perfect world, the abstenance talk is all we'd need, but, sadly, that just isn't the case.
well, teens have this little thing in them called hormones and it's like nature saying "HEY HAVE SEX!" so, to me, I think it's actually un-natural to restrict that. This is why I think it's a good idea to go beyond abstinence only education.
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