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Old June 4th, 2008, 02:12 AM   #41
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I don't know why BigCountry even resonds to these types of questions. He fucks every one of them up and hands out a whole bunch of mis-information.

If you truly believe you weren't speeding, then set up an informal hearing. If you lose there, you get a second chance at a formal hearing. You have to hire an attorney though for the formal. BigCountry wants to go right to the formal. I'd rather have two chances of winning, not one.

Most insurance companies now do computerized random checks of driving records. Why? They don't want to insure shitty drivers. Shitty drivers cost them money. A speeding ticket is a speeding ticket to an insurance company and as Mike Hancho said, the insurance companies all have their own point system totally different and separate from the SOS system.

By the way, I'm sure you weren't speeding [sarcasm intended]. Sometimes cops just stop random cars and wrongfully accuse them of speeding for no other reason except to be a prick. Ever notice how many people who claim they weren't speeding when they got ticketed? Kind of like car accidents. If somebody is in one, they always claim they weren't the ones at fault.

If you loose at a formal hearing you can appeal it. So you do have more then one chance. Unless shit has changed so much since I last went to court over a speeding ticket. Which I know it has not. You can most deffinately appeal a formal hearing. Also you do not need an attorney to go to a formal hearing.
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I got a ticket on I-75 for 5 over. I sent in the payment and it had no affect on my insurance. The cost for the ticket was 120 dollars, paid by check. It still has not affected my insurance. Even though it will be removed from my insurance this year even if it did.

I asked my insurance agent about this. If no points are reported by the State then the insurance company can not charge points against you.
x2....I got a 5 over ticket on I-696 5 years ago and it never showed up on my insurance. It was a $110 fine and 0 points. I actually deserved it cause I was merging on and went across all lanes of traffic because some douchbag was merging on at 40 mph! I hit about 80+ mph and there was a bike cop a few cars behind me he never clocked me but the abrupt lane changes it what got me. I was glad he only gave me 5 over. I paid the fine and never looked back because it could've been worse.
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Old June 4th, 2008, 08:09 AM   #43
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If you loose at a formal hearing you can appeal it. So you do have more then one chance. Unless shit has changed so much since I last went to court over a speeding ticket. Which I know it has not. You can most deffinately appeal a formal hearing. Also you do not need an attorney to go to a formal hearing.
The only way you can appeal a formal hearing is if there was a technical violation of court rules during your formal hearing. As far as not having an attorney in a formal hearing goes........the court/judge decides if he will let you represent yourself. If he doesn't feel you're smart enough he won't let you. By the way, Einstein, I am going to be leaving police work soon to be a practicing attorney. You really should stick to being an expert in another field.
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Doesn't sound like a radar or laser are the issue, if he drove beside you before lighting you up he was pacing you and that can be a difficult one to fight. Particularly if you have a tainted driving record already. If you have a clean record i wouldn't worry too much, pay the fine or ask the magistrate to difer the ticket (basically probation the ticket for 6 to 12 months). You will still pay the fine but the ticket will not show on your record unless you get another ticket before the derement time has expired.
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Always run from a cop attemting to pull you over. You will get away with it at least twice. This only works if the car is stolen though.
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You dont get pulled over in Flint too much unless you have titnted windows and 20 inch wheels. Your classified as a flashy and possible tug.
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The only way you can appeal a formal hearing is if there was a technical violation of court rules during your formal hearing. As far as not having an attorney in a formal hearing goes........the court/judge decides if he will let you represent yourself. If he doesn't feel you're smart enough he won't let you. By the way, Einstein, I am going to be leaving police work soon to be a practicing attorney. You really should stick to being an expert in another field.

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The only way you can appeal a formal hearing is if there was a technical violation of court rules during your formal hearing. As far as not having an attorney in a formal hearing goes........the court/judge decides if he will let you represent yourself. If he doesn't feel you're smart enough he won't let you. By the way, Einstein, I am going to be leaving police work soon to be a practicing attorney. You really should stick to being an expert in another field.
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take proof youv had it recalibrated my buddy got outa a 70 in a 55 by bring in a paper saying it had been redone and he didnt get anything. pissed the cop to
You my friend, are an idiot.

Ignorance of the law, or malfunctioning equipment is not an excuse for speeding. If somebody was speeding, they were speeding. The courts don't care your shit is broke. Actually, that could be another ticket added on. Also, if you come to the courts with lame ass, obvioulsy bullshit, excuses the cop can and most likely will amend the ticket to the full value. As in, write it for the full speed instead of the 5 over.

The moral of the story...
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One last thing, most county courts don't want to spend time with your case. Go to the informal, dress nice, be nice to the officer and the magistrate. Admit guilt, and ask for mercy because you can't afford it. You will most likely be offered something else entirely with no points and that isn't a moving violation. Still have to pay a fine, but no worries on the insurance. The court only wants you to pay them, and then to leave.
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The only way you can appeal a formal hearing is if there was a technical violation of court rules during your formal hearing. As far as not having an attorney in a formal hearing goes........the court/judge decides if he will let you represent yourself. If he doesn't feel you're smart enough he won't let you. By the way, Einstein, I am going to be leaving police work soon to be a practicing attorney. You really should stick to being an expert in another field.
Well things must work differently in Lenawee County. You request a formal hearing. You go in front of the Judge with or with out a lawyer is up to you. You plead your case in front of the judge. Judge decides and your on your way.

If you loose the judge even tells you that you have this amount of time to file for your appeal.

Informal hearing in Lenawee County you go in front of a Magistrate.

I have also found out that 34th District Court in Wayne likes to do things differently too.

First they call you in for an informal hearing. Then they schedule a formal hearing. They will still hear the case even if the Officer does not show up. Where the other courts I have gone to, no cop no case, ticket is thrown out.

I don't remember how it was with Jackson County because I only visited that one once with a Lawyer. I do remember walking out of there with the ticket being dropped. To something nonmoving and still cost me 120 dollars. But that one was my first ticket and I was only 17 and trying to keep my record clean.
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If you go to court and loose. You will have addittional court fees to pay on top of the fine. I would pay the fine and move on. 5 over on the freeway 0 points to your license, no affect to your insurance.
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0 point tickets, as long as they are moving violations CAN/WILL impact your insurance rates.

Go to court, ask for impeding traffic and pay the fine. Impeding is NOT a moving violation and is not surcharged on your policy.

Most insurance companies run your driving record randomly. Generally,if you have a spotty history, you are run more frequently. So for those that have "gotten away" with their tickets...it's because their company hadn't run their record in some time...that or they have a ticket forgiveness program for long time customers.

Anyway,the magistrate will offer you 0 points if your record is decent, if the sherrif is cool with it and you aren't an asshole. Ask instead for impeding traffic so it doesnt impact your insurance rates....to date, all of my customers that have asked have received.
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The only way you can appeal a formal hearing is if there was a technical violation of court rules during your formal hearing. As far as not having an attorney in a formal hearing goes........the court/judge decides if he will let you represent yourself. If he doesn't feel you're smart enough he won't let you. By the way, Einstein, I am going to be leaving police work soon to be a practicing attorney. You really should stick to being an expert in another field.
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You dont get pulled over in Flint too much unless you have titnted windows and 20 inch wheels. Your classified as a flashy and possible tug.
I did have the tinted windows. He pulled me over and mentioned the tint before he even brought up the speeding. He didn't like the fact that he couldn't tell if I had my seatbelt on or not cause of the tint. I still maintain my innocence on the speeding, but will beg for mercy and ask for a non-moving violation.
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Yes, i'd try the defective equipment route, Don't ask for that ticket though, make your case out to be like you had Defective equipment, etc.


but i don't know anything, i just get stupid tickets for not making a complete stop at a U-turn on a divided road :tonka:

5 over on the highway? umm never heard of that before, maybe you were doing something else to give him reason to pull you over, like the window tint. Biggest rule about staying out of tickets is to always let someone else drive faster than you, and only do one illegal thing at a time (minor, ie don't speed with a burned out headlight, etc)


But yes, try the defective equipment route, buy a vehicle speed sensor, show proof, continue on.


Also Insurance Points are different than Drivers License points, 5 over on the highway does have points as far as Insurance is concerned.
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Well, I had the informal hearing yesterday. The officer entered the court room and sat with his back to me. I moved to the front to try and talk with him, but he was busy chatting with his other copper buddies. The judge entered and I never got a chance to speak with State Trooper Dick Drooper.

They called my name and we approached the bench. I pleaded "responsible with explanation" and the judge told me to tell Trooper Drooper the details of my 75 in a 70. I explained that I felt I was doing 70 and that my speedo read 70. I showed him my certification of the speed-o-meter. He said that he “Paced” me at 85 and gave me a break by writing it for only 5 over. I told him that my speedometer was off but I wasn’t doing 85.

The judge asked Trooper Drooper if he wanted to drop the speeding ticket, "No, I'll let it stand". The judge pointed out my history of driving, "last ticket was in 1995". I then requested the judge reduce the offense to a non-moving violation "Defective Equipment". The judge turned to Trooper Drooper, and Drooper responded "No, I'll let it stand, I already gave him a break". The judge replied "I have no further questions; the Trooper feels you were speeding and that is that".

The moral of the story: Speeding is speeding; I was doing 5 over and got caught.

NOTE: Apparently the Trooper had it in his power to drop the ticket or reduce it, the judge left all the decisions up to him. I just unfortunately got a young, cocky kid trying to impress his other buddies by playing the hard A$$. I watched the cases before me and after...5-cases, 5-cops, none reduced or dismissed. I tried!
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One last thing, most county courts don't want to spend time with your case. Go to the informal, dress nice, be nice to the officer and the magistrate. Admit guilt, and ask for mercy because you can't afford it. You will most likely be offered something else entirely with no points and that isn't a moving violation. Still have to pay a fine, but no worries on the insurance. The court only wants you to pay them, and then to leave.
That is the same exact advice my freing at Oakland County told me "Deputy Ben Dover". Ben almost word for word gave me that advice. I tried to use it, but it wasn't effective this time. I think that is the only way to get a reduction since the cop has all the power at the informal.
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