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Old June 3rd, 2008, 08:19 AM   #41
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# Create a Living Wage: Obama will raise the minimum wage and index it to inflation to make sure that full-time workers can earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs such as food, transportation, and housing.
What is so hard to understand that raising the minimum wage does NOTHING but increase inflation, and makes it tougher for the people living on minimum wage to get by?

These idiots can't figure out that food, transportation and housing will all go up in price with the minimum wage hike? I can't even think about him being president, makes me pissed off.
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 08:19 AM   #42
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The real question is: who would Obama sleep with, his dad or his sister?
You win.


If obama wins you guys can all kiss the happy little world you know good bye.
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 08:24 AM   #43
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What is so hard to understand that raising the minimum wage does NOTHING but increase inflation, and makes it tougher for the people living on minimum wage to get by?

These idiots can't figure out that food, transportation and housing will all go up in price with the minimum wage hike? I can't even think about him being president, makes me pissed off.
Plus if you want to see double the lay off's your seeing now, raise min wage.

How hard is it to understand that min wage is not meant to live off, it's for kids working at McDonalds, or the dude that bags your groceries. You want to make more than min wage? Either work harder, or work smarter so the people that pay you think your worth it.

Forcing an employer to pay $10+ an hour means that they just won't pay it.
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Plus if you want to see double the lay off's your seeing now, raise min wage.

How hard is it to understand that min wage is not meant to live off, it's for kids working at McDonalds, or the dude that bags your groceries. You want to make more than min wage? Either work harder, or work smarter so the people that pay you think your worth it.

Forcing an employer to pay $10+ an hour means that they just won't pay it.
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you mean I can't expect to drive a brand new truck, have a nice house, own a jeep, four wheelers, dirtbikes, a cabin up north, a boat, and a condo in florida off minimum wage? that is clearly unfair. I want a raise.
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 09:20 AM   #46
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What is so hard to understand that raising the minimum wage does NOTHING but increase inflation, and makes it tougher for the people living on minimum wage to get by?

These idiots can't figure out that food, transportation and housing will all go up in price with the minimum wage hike? I can't even think about him being president, makes me pissed off.

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If obama wins you guys can all kiss the happy little world you know good bye.
no, cuz 1 thing will happen at 1 of 2 times

1 - he will be assassinated if it looks like he will win

2 - he will be assassinated if he does win

this resulting in lots of riots
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 09:27 AM   #47
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Unfortunately, we have become a nation of entitlement. Obama has the right background and views to get him elected, as we've seem to become a nation with a majority of the people saying: "I'm gonna git me mine!".

Sigh. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are rights. People do not realize that good paying, decent jobs are not rights, they must be earned. I used to work in a factory building mobile homes. I was not happy. It was dirty, sweaty, back-breaking work that paid too little. I busted my ass and put myself through school and worked hard to get where I'm at.

But wait, I'm white, so I must have been "luckier in the lottery of life"; I really should pay more taxes so I can help fund government programs to help those kept down by the man (me, I guess, is also one of "the Man").

I am tired of a society where I am continually punished for my success and others are continually rewarded for their laziness.

Obama does not get my vote; the man who spent time as a POW serving my country so I could continue to enjoy my rights as an American does.
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 10:22 AM   #48
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no, cuz 1 thing will happen at 1 of 2 times

1 - he will be assassinated if it looks like he will win

2 - he will be assassinated if he does win

this resulting in lots of riots


I'm surprised someone hasn't been off'ed Bush yet. He's probably the most hated president to ever exsist.
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 11:18 AM   #49
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OH MY GOD. I just realized that Obama rhymes with Osama!!! they must have the same views!!!1!! and Obama's middle name is Saddam! He also must have supported Saddam Hussein!!!!!111!!


WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP BRINGING UP THE PREACHER?

I go over to my friend's house regularly, He lives in a house owned by his church, and is very religious. Does that mean that I am a christian?
Read......

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...apologies.html

It is amazing how seriously the media are taking Senator Barack Obama's latest statement about the latest racist rant from the pulpit of the church he has attended for 20 years. But neither that statement nor the apology for his rant by Father Michael Pfleger really matters, one way or the other. Nor does Senator Obama's belated resignation from that church.

For any politician, what matters is not his election year rhetoric, or an election year resignation from a church, but the track record of that politician in the years before the election.

Yet so many people are so fascinated by Barack Obama's rhetorical skills that they don't care about his voting record in the U.S. Senate, in the Illinois state senate, the causes that he has chosen to promote over the years, or the candidate's personal character and values, as revealed by his actions and associations.

Despite clever spin from Obama's supporters about avoiding "guilt by association," much more is involved than casual association with people like Jeremiah Wright and Father Pfleger.

In addition to giving $20,000 of his own money to Jeremiah Wright, as a state senator Obama directed $225,000 of the Illinois taxpayers' money for programs run by Father Pfleger. In the U.S. Senate, Obama earmarked $100,000 in federal tax money for Father Pfleger's work. Giving someone more than 300 grand is not just some tenuous, coincidental association.

Are Barack Obama's views shown by what he says during an election year or by what he has been doing for decades before?

The complete contrast between Obama's election year image as a healer of divisions and his whole career of promoting far-left grievance politics, in association with America-haters like Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers, are brushed aside by his supporters who talk about getting back to "the real issues."

There is nothing more real than a man's character and values. The track record of what he has actually done is far more real than anything he says, however elegantly he says it.

There is no office where the character and values of the person in that office matter more than the office of President of the United States. He holds the destiny of 300 million Americans in his hands and the fate of generations yet unborn.

That was never more true than today, with Iran moving ever closer to a nuclear bomb, while the United Nations wrings its hands and Congress fritters away its time on everything from steroids in sports to earmarks for pet projects back home.

Does anyone seriously consider what it would mean for Iran to have nuclear weapons? They are already supplying terrorists with the means of killing people in other countries, including killing American troops in Iraq.

Senator Obama has been downplaying the Iran threat, saying that they are just "a small country," not like the Soviet Union. The people who flew planes into the World Trade Center were an even smaller group than the Iranian government.

Half a dozen terrorists like that with nuclear weapons would be a bigger danger than the Soviet Union ever was, because the Soviet leaders were not suicide bombers. They could be deterred by the threat of what we would do to Moscow if they attacked New York.

You cannot deter suicidal fanatics. They are not going to stop unless they get stopped. Rhetoric is not going to do it.

Not only Senator Obama, but too many other Americans, seem to have no concept of the seething hatred that can lead people to destroy their own lives in order to lash out at others.

But terrorists have been doing this repeatedly, not only in Iraq and in Israel, but in other countries around the world-- including the United States on 9/11.

Have we already forgotten how the Palestinians were cheering in the streets over the news of the attack on the World Trade Center? How videotapes of sadistic beheadings of innocent people by terrorists have found an eager audience in the Middle East?

Are we going to leave our children hostages to hate-filled sadists with nuclear weapons? Are we to rely on Barack Obama's rhetoric to protect them?

Senator Obama's foreign policy seems to be somewhere between Rodney King's "Can't we just get along?" and Alfred E. Neuman's "What, me worry?"
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Here's a guide to help you spot Obama supporters.....

http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/...porters-guide/

It looks like we have a couple of "Yeswecans" on GL4x4.

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I am tired of a society where I am continually punished for my success and others are continually rewarded for their laziness.
This line always make me think of one thing. I bust my ass all year to increase sales and profitability on my orders. In doing so, if I am successful I recieve a commision bonus. It is nearly cut in half with taxes because they are structured in such a manner to do so.

Reward others for my success. I am glad I can help the lazy /sarcasm.
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I'm surprised someone hasn't been off'ed Bush yet. He's probably the most hated president to ever exsist.
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Plus if you want to see double the lay off's your seeing now, raise min wage.

How hard is it to understand that min wage is not meant to live off, it's for kids working at McDonalds, or the dude that bags your groceries. You want to make more than min wage? Either work harder, or work smarter so the people that pay you think your worth it.

Forcing an employer to pay $10+ an hour means that they just won't pay it.
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 01:08 PM   #54
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I find it funny that as you look at voting records for the candidates the differences you find in what they say as opposed to how they voted. Looking at some of them you have to wonder if they were sleeping or just decided to say "yay" or "nay" randomly.
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Everyone keeps talking about who's going to bring the troops home and what will happen if we stay at war and what will happen if we don't. None of you have any idea what will happen either way. If we never went to war in the first place we could have a great economy and a little tighter travel regulations....or we could all be dead, nobody knows. You can say that if we leave Iraq the terrorists will attack the hell out of us, but what if the military stands guard here and no terrorists ever get in.....or maybe we do get attacked. NOBODY knows.
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Here's a newsflash, Ron Paul isn't going to win unless McCain steps down.
My guess is you will vote agains't somebody instead of for who you want.
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Seriously, all I see are plans. I don't mean this as a bash so please don't take it that way, but you not seeing any plans by Obama to me would be a good example of hearing/reading what you want to hear...



Lets take this one issue for now - Iraq: I'm taking this information from their respective websites and I will do my best not to color it with my opinions in this section. (some info is copied and pasted directly from sites.)
Barack Obama's Plan:
- Immediate Removal of troops at 1-2 brigades a month, all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months
- No permanent bases in Iraq
- Some troops to protect the embassy and Diplomats and some if Al Qaeda tries to build a base.
- press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future by engaging representatives to seek a new accord on Iraq’s Constitution and governance.
- Aggressive speak with Iraq and it's neighbors to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East
- Provide monies to help Iraqi refugees

John McCain's Plan:
- Troops remain, strongly disagrees with those who advocate withdrawing American troops before the Government of Iraq is able to take care of itself and it's people. feels if we left, we'll have to return to finish anyway
- Support elections for provincial governments (2008) and national government (2009). McCain believes these elections are essential and that our troops must be there to support the elections.
- Support Iraqi Economy to try and reduce the chance that young men and women will decide to join extremist groups. He feels Iraq should use budget surplus monies to employ workers in infrastructure projects etc.
- The international community should bolster proven microfinance programs to spur local-level entrepreneurship throughout the country.
- Call for International Pressure on Syria and Iran: The international community must apply real pressure to Syria and Iran to change their behavior. US must also bolster its regional military posture to how we're serious.
- Be serious and candid with Americans about the risks that the war has and the risk he feels there would be if we withdraw.
- Not keep the troops in Iraq a minute longer than necessary for Iraq to be able to stand on it's on 2 feet.


Now for my opinionated part (perhaps this is the part where I hear what I want to hear . . . ):
I do not feel that there will ever be a winning scenario in Iraq. The middle east has been marred for years in political and religious unrest. I do not think a forceful military solution will solve this problem. Therefore, I think we screwed up royally. Our original intent was to go and get Osama Bin Laden, are we even still trying to do that? (sarcasm). But seriously, I don't think this is our fight. We are trying to push our values onto another society which can be very tricky, especially if parts of that society don't want them. Do I think we need to address terrorism? Absolutely, but I'm not sure what the best way to do it is and I'm definitely not convinced this is the way.

So that brings me to the candidates. I think we should get out of Iraq, so I am for Barack on this issue. Regardless of that, I like how he very specifically lays out his plan for troop withdrawal while still addressing the issues politically.

When I read John McCain's page, I don't even see a plan about how he plans to do the things he wants to do, other than leave troops there and then he doesn't even discuss troop levels. For one, does Iraq even have a budget surplus to hire people? How does he plan to get the "international community" to bolster the economy? How is he going to get the international community to exert pressure on Syria and Iran other than to show everyone how powerful our military is. The big questions is when will the Iraq government be stable enough to support themselves? What will be our barometer to measure their success? He talks a little about this (ie. basic services etc) but not in any real detail. Basically the way I see McCain's Plan is that there is no Troop withdrawal plan or that it won't be made until after we fix their issues which is who knows when. More importantly on this issue, he doesn't (at least in the Iraq section of his web page that I noticed) even address how we are going to continue to support the troops in Iraq, let alone talk about the economics of it. If his plan is to stay, they his plan should really address that in my opinion.


So you ask about my train of thought and there's a little insight into it. If it wasn't almost 2am I might do some more, but I've got to get up early.
My bad. I had read something called
The Blueprint For Change
Obamas plan for America

It contained nothing.
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Are you going to write him in on the ballot?
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MCCAIN. Obama sucks black dick.
well looks like you and obama have some common ground.
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