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Old May 30th, 2008, 07:19 PM   #1
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can i use a dollie to pull my tj with a locker in the rear ?

take off rear d-shaft?

put the t-case in N?

what is the best way to do this thanks. i'm in a time crunch!
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Old May 30th, 2008, 07:25 PM   #2
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neutral neutral

tires will squeal on corners.....

how far are you going? if it's a decent distance I'd pull the rear drive shaft
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Old May 30th, 2008, 07:27 PM   #3
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from lake orion to the mounds
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Old May 30th, 2008, 07:27 PM   #4
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it's a detroit tru
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manual or auto?
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I think it should be ok in N N, but if you have any doubt you should pull the rear drive shaft


I pull my (ugly) buggy from davison to the mounds with a locked rear on a tow dolly with the rear drive shaft in and haven't had any issues.... but the distance is a lot less..

Heading out to the mounds challenge tomorrow?
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hell yeah!
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thanks a ton!
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Old May 30th, 2008, 07:35 PM   #10
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Old May 30th, 2008, 07:41 PM   #11
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No need to pull the Dshaft... TC and tranny in Neutral and you're ok. Lock makes no difference. BTW... I'm do this for a living.
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Old May 30th, 2008, 07:56 PM   #12
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I'm do this for a living.
Yeah, but short distance, right?

Otherwise, put the transmission in gear, not neutral. As a general rule, the oil slingers in the trans work off the transmission input shaft, on the output, so you don't want the trans spinning, which it can/will do, even when the t-case is in neutral, due to parasitic drag....

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Ummm not really.... Just got back from a 80 mile tow.... Why are you suggesting puttin git in gear? Care to explain.... I am curious as to your reasoning.
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When I started towing with my dolly I had the same question since the manual says it needs to be in gear. The answer I recieved was that theres going to be a little parasitic drag through the drivetrain that will keep everything spinning. Slowly, but still moving. The slow turning with no fluid will burn up a bearing in the rear output shaft since the pump isn't turning. This is especially important with an auto even for short distances.

Bottom line is your manual says trans in gear and TC in nueteral.

Or just pull the shaft and be done with it.
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Old May 30th, 2008, 08:12 PM   #15
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The manual says to put auto Jeeps in Park and tcase in N, and put manual Jeeps in gear with tcase in N
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Hmmmm, never had a prolbem.

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Ummm not really.... Just got back from a 80 mile tow.... Why are you suggesting puttin git in gear? Care to explain.... I am curious as to your reasoning.
Edited the first post with the reasoning.
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It seems to me that you would want the oil slingers thrown fluid around with anything in the trans spinning.
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Also, if you do pull the shaft and still have a slipyoke a 1" slip fit PVC pipe cap works beautifully to plug the case.
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Old May 30th, 2008, 09:16 PM   #20
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Another thing is, i assume the 231 has a true neutral position, so the Front driveshaft doesn't try and spin. Thats the only reason why i pull my rear shaft, is because a Samurai T-case doesn't have a true neutral and the front and rear shafts have to spin at the same speed.

LO to the mounds, i'd probably leave it in, but i have to pull mine because my front driveshaft is way out of balance.
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