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Old April 13th, 2006, 03:08 PM   #21
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Cnat believe Harley hasn't chimed in here. Anyways, how long does a furnace usually last before they start losing what ever it is they lose. Just asking because mine is about 20 - 21 yrs old too and I ve been thinking "new furnace".


he's out "carassing" the 84 CJ Anyway I just sent you a PM, Confed......


Tombs.....you better call Chris after you get a few quotes otherwise he'll be mad and pout and I'll hafta deal with him..........then you'll hafta deal with me :tonka:
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Old April 13th, 2006, 03:36 PM   #22
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FYI, I would stay away from Bryant AC.

need more info on the reasoning to stay away from Bryant rather than FYI.

it seems like this post just keeps going. like I said I'm a heating and cooling contractor, will give anyone a quote and probably the best info I could give for free. after that it's up to you to come up with a desion. but I will provide you the right info to make your own decision. would rather go to PM's if your interested in info or a quote.

on another note, the two stage varible speed furnace you were talking about. if it was explained properly not sure salesmen even know what there talking about. two stage refers to the gas valve. and varible speed refers to the blower motor.
lets explain a little further with numbers.
100K BTU 2 stage furnace. should always light off at 100K, if the air going through the heat exchanger increases too quickly the gas valve throttles back to a lower setting say around 60K. in a old type 90% or even a 80% furnace it's always the 100K and when it's somewhat warm outside the furnace kicks on because the t-stat told it to warms up the house pretty quick and shuts off.
a two stage will fire up on 100K and very quickly go back to 60K then slowly heat up the entire house at 60K almost half what it usually uses.

any other questions don't hesitate to ask in a PM.

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Old April 13th, 2006, 05:04 PM   #23
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Ok, acutally it isn't Bryant specific, but specific to Puron, the "environmentally safe non-freon. I am not a "contractor" or a sales man. I just hear the rumors through the industry, I do Industrial and facility/campus HVAC/R for a Power House. Sure, mainly I deal with Trane (in my experience thier med to heavy industrial far surpasses York or Carrier or McQuay, but NOT when it comes to controls or BAS), but I wouldn't install a Trane residential system. Those Condensor Units are not cleanable. The Bryant and Carrier stuff gets too expensive when a repair is needed, and I haven't seen them be competitive on thier warranty (I think Goodman and some of the other off brand Goodman's are up to 10 years now). I've had great luck with the "other brands" and the prices always beat the "big brands." But, to each thier own, that brand name gives people peace of mind.
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Old April 13th, 2006, 05:05 PM   #24
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And honestly, I could go on for pages on HVAC stuff, but I'm not. Thus, I just made an FYI based off my knowledge.
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Old April 13th, 2006, 10:32 PM   #25
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I have serviced and installed light commercial and residential for 12 years now. There is not that much difference anymore between manufacturers. It is the quality of the install that makes the difference as far as reliability. Make sure who ever you purchase from has been around and will stand behind there work. There is nothing worse then having a problem a few years down the road and the company is out of business. I personally would not install a 14 seer unit the money initially spent will out weigh the savings for years and years to come. There are still 10 seer units available. The 95% 2 stage variable speed drive furnaces are nice but can be expensive to repair when they are out of warranty. Avoid Puron or 410a systems R-22 will still be around for awhile. The price you were quoted seems a bit high but not to far off.
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Old April 13th, 2006, 10:48 PM   #26
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will give anyone a quote and probably the best info I could give for free. after that it's up to you to come up with a desion. but I will provide you the right info to make your own decision. would rather go to PM's if your interested in info or a quote.
No one could ask for more than that!
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Old April 13th, 2006, 11:18 PM   #27
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I have serviced and installed light commercial and residential for 12 years now. There is not that much difference anymore between manufacturers. It is the quality of the install that makes the difference as far as reliability. Make sure who ever you purchase from has been around and will stand behind there work. There is nothing worse then having a problem a few years down the road and the company is out of business. I personally would not install a 14 seer unit the money initially spent will out weigh the savings for years and years to come. There are still 10 seer units available. The 95% 2 stage variable speed drive furnaces are nice but can be expensive to repair when they are out of warranty. Avoid Puron or 410a systems R-22 will still be around for awhile. The price you were quoted seems a bit high but not to far off.
Yes, thankyou for some great input for cornfed. You won't get your money back for the higher seer for way too many years for sure. R22 systems are very abundant and proven and cheap, Puron isn't. Not seen a 410A residential unit yet, I think you may mean 134a. Generally 410 is low temp.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 07:27 AM   #28
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I can't believe, with all the heat knowledge that has been displayed, that nobody has told you not to run your furnace. The company that was out there should have shut your firnace down, and RED tagged it. They are liable if anything happens to you, or your wife, due to Carbon Monoxide.

As for pricing.........

I would NEVER tell ANYONE what I pay for equiptment. That just isn't right (in my opinion) Your asking people to tell you if it is a good price, or not. It is also hard to say if it is a good price, or not, because nobody has seen the application of your replacement. They don't know about how much duct is needed. basement conditions. etc.

Since you already have a quote from a company, I would suggest you get some from a few more. Estimates ar FREE, so get more than one. That will tell you wheather or not you got a good price. My wife PMed you my phone number, and it is also in my avitar. If you have specific questions, or need any assistance, I will be more than happy to help.


On a side note.........

If you decide to go with a 13 SEER over a 10 SEER, the average price difference is around $900. The savings you would see from a 13 SEER in Michigan is a average of $45 per year. I personally don't agree with this, but it is what some yutz figured, and printed in a newsletter I get. If you can find a 10 SEER, I would try to get one installed. But they are getting harder and harder to find.


I'm tired of typing, but I can give you alot more info, just shoot me a call.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 01:11 PM   #29
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If you decide to go with a 13 SEER over a 10 SEER, the average price difference is around $900. The savings you would see from a 13 SEER in Michigan is a average of $45 per year. I personally don't agree with this, but it is what some yutz figured, and printed in a newsletter I get. If you can find a 10 SEER, I would try to get one installed. But they are getting harder and harder to find.
I was quoted (specs from the brochure);

$6k for 80% efficient single stage, multi speed furnace and 10 seer A/C. This is the modern equivalent to my current setup. The furnace has a lifetime heat exchanger warranty, 10-year unit replacement if heat exchanger fails. .5-yr parts warranty. No clue on the 10 seer warranty.

$6680 for a 93% single stage, multi-speed and 13 seer A/C. Same furnace warranty, AC has 5-year parts and compressor warranty.

$7055 for 95% efficient two stage, variable speed and 14 seer AC. The 14 seer unit does not advertise using R-410A, but the 16 seer unit does. Therefore, I'll wager that this particular 14 seer AC unit does not use R-410A. Same furnace warranty as the other two, but the ac has 10-years on compressor and parts. This purchase qualifies for $500 energy tax credit for '06. I saw the model numbers and their corresponding tenergy tax credit code/authorization numbers.

I'm just under $300/mo in gas during the winter. My furnace and hot water tank are the only things using gas. My electric bill is ~$180 in the summer.

Using this quote for reference... One year from now, I'd receive the tax credit. That, using twisted Jeeper/ebay-logic, would mean that the 95% furnace would cost $6555. The 93% furnace doesn't qualify for energy tax credit so, to me it's $125 more expensive, without calculating any marginal energy savings when comparing 93% to 95%. After the tax credit, the 95% is $555 more expensive than the 80%. We'll be in the house for quite a while so we'll see the benefit from the energy savings when comparing the 80% to the 95%. Sound reasonable?

The furnace is off and we have a CO detector.

Thanks for the feedback guys!
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