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Old May 23rd, 2008, 07:03 PM   #101
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Thank you for the answer to any proof you offer to any position you have on any subject I would also ask you to get your references from a CREDIBLE source. That site is rubbish.
Also thats not where the information came from but thats beyond the point. Since you guys always poo poo anything given to you as proof I will debate in the same manor. You have yet to post credible anything, since I don't believe your position there is nothing you can do or any one you can quote that is credible.
The thing that has me laughing my ass off is if some one used a source with the same credentials and evidence as Darwin you guys would discount that to no end.

Search through my posts douchebag. When I reference something, it is not from a biased website, such as the one you ripped the post from. Take this reference for example:

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Thank you for the answer to any proof you offer to any position you have on any subject I would also ask you to get your references from a CREDIBLE source. That site is rubbish.
Also thats not where the information came from but thats beyond the point. Since you guys always poo poo anything given to you as proof I will debate in the same manor. You have yet to post credible anything, since I don't believe your position there is nothing you can do or any one you can quote that is credible.
The thing that has me laughing my ass off is if some one used a source with the same credentials and evidence as Darwin you guys would discount that to no end.

The last thows of a dying argument.


Mr. Toes, you are welcome to your beliefs and if you are comfortable with them, I respect that. If you insist on a battle of intellegence with educated people though you need to bring some amunition.

Let the insults begin.
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Search through my posts douchebag. When I reference something, it is not from a biased website, such as the one you ripped the post from. Take this reference for example:

http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthr...14#post1094114

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Thanks for the oil info. I'm currently trading several hundred thousand barrels on the market, and I'm sure anything you have to offer would be a benefit.
It seems anytime any one puts an opposing point of view up the response is that view is bias. Even if the point of view comes from someone with impressive credentials.
I don't have to serch through your posts to remember the one which you said I had no right to a political opinion, of coarse you didn't reference any bias website.

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The last thows of a dying argument.


Mr. Toes, you are welcome to your beliefs and if you are comfortable with them, I respect that. If you insist on a battle of intellegence with educated people though you need to bring some amunition.

Let the insults begin.
I'm not arguing my beliefs. I'm haven't even debated evolution vs christianity. I have found differing opinions from people in the same scientific field regarding Darwins therory.

Darwin had presented a therory which to date has some huge unsubstantiated gaps. The scientific community to date does not agree 100% on his therory.

To suggest that one source is accurate over the other is all a matter of opinion, and will remain just that as long as it's a therory.

I do have a problem with the fabrication of proof, which has been done on more than one occassion, to prove Darwins therory. To me this makes his therory less credible, and is alike to grasping at straws to prove a point.
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Excellent retort Mr. Toes. Darwin's theory is just that, a theory. If it was Darwin's hypothesis then no facts need to be present to convey an idea. A theory on the other hand is supported by SOME facts but there are enough variables that are not substantiated that the idea cannot be considered fact. Darwin's theory has a large amount of evidence to support it but as you said, there are large gaps that have yet to be accounted for.

I am a firm believer in the scientific process. If evidence comes along that says Darwin was wrong and this evidence can be proved or duplicated by other members of the scientific community, then I will drop Darwin like a hot rock. Until then, I sorta think he's on to something.
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Excellent retort Mr. Toes. Darwin's theory is just that, a theory. If it was Darwin's hypothesis then no facts need to be present to convey an idea. A theory on the other hand is supported by SOME facts but there are enough variables that are not substantiated that the idea cannot be considered fact. Darwin's theory has a large amount of evidence to support it but as you said, there are large gaps that have yet to be accounted for.

I am a firm believer in the scientific process. If evidence comes along that says Darwin was wrong and this evidence can be proved or duplicated by other members of the scientific community, then I will drop Darwin like a hot rock. Until then, I sorta think he's on to something.
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I have a different perspective. When it comes to science I like facts and laws over theory. Untill it's a given it's speculation that at any time has the possibility of being wrong, I don't feel comfortable putting stock in something that as a theory dosen't exsist as a given it's still just an idea.
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I have a different perspective. When it comes to science I like facts and laws over theory. Untill it's a given it's speculation that at any time has the possibility of being wrong, I don't feel comfortable putting stock in something that as a theory dosen't exsist as a given it's still just an idea.

You are entilted to you opinion.
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I have a different perspective. When it comes to science I like facts and laws over theory. Untill it's a given it's speculation that at any time has the possibility of being wrong, I don't feel comfortable putting stock in something that as a theory dosen't exsist as a given it's still just an idea.
so is there a particular fact or law that you subscribe to in lieu of Evolution?

I have a feeling you're going to say Intelligent Design...
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so is there a particular fact or law that you subscribe to in lieu of Evolution?

I have a feeling you're going to say Intelligent Design...

I didn't realize Intelligent Design was a law or fact. If it is I have to adjust my thinking.
I don't believe that any scientific law or facts exsist regarding the origin of life.
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I'm not arguing my beliefs. I'm haven't even debated evolution vs christianity. I have found differing opinions from people in the same scientific field regarding Darwins therory.

Darwin had presented a therory which to date has some huge unsubstantiated gaps. The scientific community to date does not agree 100% on his therory.

To suggest that one source is accurate over the other is all a matter of opinion, and will remain just that as long as it's a therory.

I do have a problem with the fabrication of proof, which has been done on more than one occassion, to prove Darwins therory. To me this makes his therory less credible, and is alike to grasping at straws to prove a point.
What theory of Darwin's has huge, unsubstantiated gaps. Please name the theory that is exclusively Darwin's, and what those gaps are.
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What theory of Darwin's has huge, unsubstantiated gaps. Please name the theory that is exclusively Darwin's, and what those gaps are.
The gaps that make it a theory and not a fact or law.
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The gaps that make it a theory and not a fact or law.
Theory's usually have a large amount of evidence to support them but since some of the information has not been observed (in this case the birth of a new species in front of our eyes), then the scientific community will not consider it a fact.

Much of the world around us is controlled or observed by theorys. Scientists are not sure how spark plugs ignite a fuel mixture (I like the electron deflection theory myself), yet there they are in your engine doing their job.

Do some research on how a theory is defined and you may be more comfortable with it.
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Search through my posts douchebag. When I reference something, it is not from a biased website, such as the one you ripped the post from. Take this reference for example:

http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthr...14#post1094114

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Do you honestly believe that they're not biased? Can I interest you in some AZ ocean front property? I would dare say that they're as biased as you are.
We all have our biases. The real question is, which bias is the best bias to be biased with?
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Do you honestly believe that they're not biased? Can I interest you in some AZ ocean front property? I would dare say that they're as biased as you are.
We all have our biases. The real question is, which bias is the best bias to be biased with?
you are not allowed to use the word "bias" again for at least 24 hours.
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Theory's usually have a large amount of evidence to support them but since some of the information has not been observed (in this case the birth of a new species in front of our eyes), then the scientific community will not consider it a fact.

Much of the world around us is controlled or observed by theorys. Scientists are not sure how spark plugs ignite a fuel mixture (I like the electron deflection theory myself), yet there they are in your engine doing their job.

Do some research on how a theory is defined and you may be more comfortable with it.
You can observe a spark plug igniting fuel, it happens the same way time after time. Also you can observe it over and over.
The origin of life on the other hand has more than one theory and none of which has been proven and or repeated so as to allow us to observe it over and over again.
At what point do you or did you go from scientific proof to unsubstantiated faith in making a decission as to what you believe the origin of life is because no matter what is said or written the origin of life is an unproven theory.
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You can observe a spark plug igniting fuel, it happens the same way time after time. Also you can observe it over and over.
The origin of life on the other hand has more than one theory and none of which has been proven and or repeated so as to allow us to observe it over and over again.
At what point do you or did you go from scientific proof to unsubstantiated faith in making a decission as to what you believe the origin of life is because no matter what is said or written the origin of life is an unproven theory.
Yeah, you can't go back in a time machine to observe the beginning of life nor can you repeat it in a laboratory.
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Yeah, you can't go back in a time machine to observe the beginning of life nor can you repeat it in a laboratory.
I can't ?
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Maybe the Phantom could?
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