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Old May 22nd, 2008, 02:56 PM   #81
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I love how the symbol for Darwinism is a fish with legs while we there isn't a fish that later walked and evolved into a completly land creature from the sea creature it originally was
the "symbol" is a joke, It is mocking the idiots with the silly jesus fish things on their cars.

I have this one on my jeep

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Old May 22nd, 2008, 04:44 PM   #82
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the "symbol" is a joke, It is mocking the idiots with the silly jesus fish things on their cars.

I have this one on my jeep

Which means. . . . . and you remember that fish symbol because I believe it will come back to use in the future, hopefully I'll be long gone by then.
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 05:17 PM   #83
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Sure, DNA mapping strongly supports Darwin's theorys.
Your on crack.
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 05:22 PM   #84
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Your on crack.

Name calling, you win.

Seriously, I love a good debat but you need to bring something to the table other than insults. At least Dave Kerwin tries to bring his point forward in an intellegent manner.
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Name calling, you win.

Seriously, I love a good debat but you need to bring something to the table other than insults. At least Dave Kerwin tries to bring his point forward in an intellegent manner.
Ya, I can't think of a better insult, so Toes wins.
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 07:35 PM   #86
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Which means. . . . .
flying spaghetti monster

http://www.venganza.org/

Check it out, maybe you will convert to pastafarianism.
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 07:41 PM   #87
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still waiting for the obvious evidence that disproves macro-evolution...and waiting for some pics of another kayak...
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 07:44 PM   #88
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All living things contain in their cells the DNA molecule that carries the information (genetic instructions) for making all aspects of that creature and all this information is in the first fertilized cell of each kind of creature. Amoeba DNA has no information for making hooves, hair, tails and eyes, but horse DNA does. Alligator DNA has no genetic information for producing feathers, hollow bones and one-way lung systems, but eagles do (as did Archaeopteryx). Some DNA information is common to many different kinds of creatures, but there are also differences.
Dr Werner Gitt is a leading German scientist who is an expert on information theory. In his powerful, tightly reasoned book, In the Beginning was Information, he argues, “There is no known law of nature, no known process and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter.”
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Francis S. Collins, former head of the human genome project, a Christian, is a proponent of evolution based on the DNA evidence alone.

When asked if there is a conflict between religion and evolution:

"Actually, I find no conflict here, and neither apparently do the 40 percent of working scientists who claim to be believers. Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true. If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/col...ary/index.html

go ahead and not agree with him, but I have a feeling you cannot find a more credible source in the study of DNA.
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Mike, you are making this site more about making god look un-real then it is off-roading. Your really getting annoying.
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 07:56 PM   #91
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Mike, you are making this site more about making god look un-real then it is off-roading. Your really getting annoying.
i'm sorry a.j. should I make it more about how to break into cars and steal shit?
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All living things contain in their cells the DNA molecule that carries the information (genetic instructions) for making all aspects of that creature and all this information is in the first fertilized cell of each kind of creature. Amoeba DNA has no information for making hooves, hair, tails and eyes, but horse DNA does. Alligator DNA has no genetic information for producing feathers, hollow bones and one-way lung systems, but eagles do (as did Archaeopteryx). Some DNA information is common to many different kinds of creatures, but there are also differences.
Dr Werner Gitt is a leading German scientist who is an expert on information theory. In his powerful, tightly reasoned book, In the Beginning was Information, he argues, “There is no known law of nature, no known process and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter.”
Bravo Mr. Toes, you've brought some information to the debate to support your position, unfortunatly it goes against documented results from numerous scientific studies.

Lower life forms do not have complex DNA but a simpler derivitive called RNA (ribonuclaic acid). If the organism has evolved into a multi-celled entity then it will have the more complex genetic coding called DNA (dioxyribonuclaic acid).

ALL animals on earth that have more than one cell to their structure have basically the same DNA coding with some variences for fins, lungs, hair, etc. This identical basic coding points the the THEORY that all living things are related to each other or that all life EVOLVED from one basic living thing.

This does not have to go against the belief that God created everything. I personally believe God (or fill in religious entity here) started the whole process. I just don't feel that God personally controls every action of every creature every minute. I feel that God (he, she, it, plasma, etc) wanted most of the show to run its self with minor intervention here and there.

There are many things that discredit the bible like dinosours, sane thought, carbon dating, etc, yet there are other facts that support biblical events like Pharoes, Romans, plagues, etc.

Many of the stories of the bible were passed down from generation to generation before somebody wrote down anything. It is human nature to change things (bad recollection, lies, drunk) when retelling a story from memory. I feel that a very large percentage of the bible has been bastardized over the centeries by men who changed/interpreted the original message to get what they want. This very same process is happening today right under our noses (David Karesh (sp?), Jim Jones, Barrick Obamma's insane minister, TV evangelists, etc).

In summary: Evolution is strongly supported if not fact, our closest living relative entertains itself by throwing poo at things, the bible contains alot of great information but contains a large percentage of bullshit because men are liars at heart, all life was started (notice I did not say created) by God or some other higher power.

This is MY personal belief after years of being presented the evidence on all fronts. I don't expect anybody to think like I do. If you are a devout christian I respect your beliefs but I want you to respect mine. The same rule applies to atheists, agnostics, muslems, witches, etc.

If you are comfortable with your belief system, who cares what the other party thinks.
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 10:59 PM   #93
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flying spaghetti monster

http://www.venganza.org/

Check it out, maybe you will convert to pastafarianism.
Where do you find this stuff? I'm thinking of becoming a convert.
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 11:25 PM   #94
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Where do you find this stuff? I'm thinking of becoming a convert.
you should get a copy of "the gospel of the flying spaghetti monster" it explains everything... unless you are a midget.
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Old May 23rd, 2008, 06:05 AM   #95
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i'm sorry a.j. should I make it more about how to break into cars and steal shit?
No. We have one to many of those guys around here.
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minus the eternal flames part obviously. I will warn you against self-righteousness, it is why people go to hell.
If this isnt hypocrisy, I dont know what is.
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All living things contain in their cells the DNA molecule that carries the information (genetic instructions) for making all aspects of that creature and all this information is in the first fertilized cell of each kind of creature. Amoeba DNA has no information for making hooves, hair, tails and eyes, but horse DNA does. Alligator DNA has no genetic information for producing feathers, hollow bones and one-way lung systems, but eagles do (as did Archaeopteryx). Some DNA information is common to many different kinds of creatures, but there are also differences.
Dr Werner Gitt is a leading German scientist who is an expert on information theory. In his powerful, tightly reasoned book, In the Beginning was Information, he argues, “There is no known law of nature, no known process and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter.”

Dude seriously. If you were in one of my classes, I would fail you for plaigarism.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/1106ng.asp

I would also ask you to get your references from a CREDIBLE source. That site is rubbish.

I KNEW that post was too complex for you, make it less obvious next time.
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Dude seriously. If you were in one of my classes, I would fail you for plaigarism.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/1106ng.asp

I would also ask you to get your references from a CREDIBLE source. That site is rubbish.

I KNEW that post was too complex for you, make it less obvious next time.

Gotta love cut and paste.
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Dude seriously. If you were in one of my classes, I would fail you for plaigarism.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/1106ng.asp

I would also ask you to get your references from a CREDIBLE source. That site is rubbish.

I KNEW that post was too complex for you, make it less obvious next time.
lol :tonka:
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Dude seriously. If you were in one of my classes, I would fail you for plaigarism.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/1106ng.asp

I would also ask you to get your references from a CREDIBLE source. That site is rubbish.

I KNEW that post was too complex for you, make it less obvious next time.
Thank you for the answer to any proof you offer to any position you have on any subject I would also ask you to get your references from a CREDIBLE source. That site is rubbish.
Also thats not where the information came from but thats beyond the point. Since you guys always poo poo anything given to you as proof I will debate in the same manor. You have yet to post credible anything, since I don't believe your position there is nothing you can do or any one you can quote that is credible.
The thing that has me laughing my ass off is if some one used a source with the same credentials and evidence as Darwin you guys would discount that to no end.
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