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Old May 19th, 2008, 07:41 AM   #1
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WASHINGTON (AFP) Barack Obama set his sights on November's general election Saturday as he campaigned in Oregon, where he hopes to declare victory in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Obama has said Tuesday's primaries in Oregon and Kentucky could mark the end of his drawn-out battle with rival Hillary Clinton, and his campaign pressed home that message by announcing a symbolic return to Iowa that day.

Iowa was the scene of the Illinois senator's first victory in the 2008 presidential nominating race, and his campaign noted Saturday it is "a critical general election state that Democrats must win in November."

Polls show Obama leading in Oregon, where 52 delegates are up for grabs, while Clinton is ahead in Kentucky, a state with 51 delegates that has a similar demographic to West Virginia, where she won a thumping victory Tuesday.

His campaign says he needs just 17 more pledged delegates won through state votes to reach a majority of 1,627, not counting the "superdelegates," party officials who can vote either way at August's Democratic national convention.

Using a baseball analogy, Obama said May 8 that if after Tuesday's primaries "we have a majority of pledged delegates, which is possible, then I think we can make a pretty strong claim that we have got the most runs and its the ninth inning and we have won."

The official finishing line is 2,025 delegates, including superdelegates.

During a rally in Roseburg, Oregon, Saturday, Obama presented himself as the front-runner almost without question, attacking presumptive Republican nominee John McCain on foreign policy, the environment and healthcare.

Reviving Friday's furious row sparked by President George W. Bush's suggestion that Democrats wanted to appease terrorists, Obama said that not talking to North Korea and Iran had only made those states stronger.

"I want everybody to be absolutely clear about this because George Bush and McCain have suggested that me being willing to sit down with our adversaries is a sign of weakness and sign of appeasement," he said.

He also attacked McCain's plan for a gas tax holiday to cope with rising pump prices, which Clinton supports, as well as his other environmental plans, saying the Republican had consistently opposed fuel efficiency standards.

"For him to come to Oregon as an environmental president, but his big strategy is to do more drilling and to have a gas tax holiday for three months, that's a phony solution," he said.

Pitching his message to Oregon's environmentally-conscious voters, Obama called on the United States to "lead by example" on global warming, and develop new technologies at home which could be exported to developing countries.

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.

"That's not leadership. That's not going to happen," he added.

The Illinois senator also argued that the differences between his healthcare plan and that of Clinton "pale in comparison to the differences we have with John McCain," whose proposals would only work "if you're healthy and wealthy."

The escalating rhetoric between Obama and McCain has evoked the kind of campaign battles more common in the immediate run-up to an election -- and emphasized further Obama's pole position in the Democratic race.

But Clinton has vowed to keep fighting until the end of the primary season on June 3, and campaigning in Kentucky Saturday, she defended the plan for the gas tax holiday and accused McCain of having no idea how to fund it.

"Senator McCain said let's give everybody a gas tax holiday but doesn't want to pay for it. I think I've got the best plan. Let the oil companies pay it out of their excess profits," she said.
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Old May 19th, 2008, 07:50 AM   #2
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meh, what do I care what other countries think? Is Dubai any different? Half the guys that I know who have sold big ass twin big block gas guzzling boats have shipped them to dubai, many of the off shore racing series are centered around the mediterranean, england, and dubai. So again whats the difference? I mean I guess they don't need heat over there, but I bet they consume a ton of energy to keep their mega homes man made islands and super sky scraper apartment complexes cool....

America is not the only country in this world that enjoys energy consuming activities. Further america is not the only country in the world where people overindulge, so who cares what anyone else thinks really.

I only read the yellow words. The rest bored me after a sentence.
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Old May 19th, 2008, 12:22 PM   #3
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meh, He is saying what dems want to hear.
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meh, what do I care what other countries think? Is Dubai any different? Half the guys that I know who have sold big ass twin big block gas guzzling boats have shipped them to dubai, many of the off shore racing series are centered around the mediterranean, england, and dubai. So again whats the difference? I mean I guess they don't need heat over there, but I bet they consume a ton of energy to keep their mega homes man made islands and super sky scraper apartment complexes cool....

America is not the only country in this world that enjoys energy consuming activities. Further america is not the only country in the world where people overindulge, so who cares what anyone else thinks really.

I only read the yellow words. The rest bored me after a sentence.
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Old May 19th, 2008, 12:44 PM   #5
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I want to continue living as an American in the greatest land in the world.

I want to drive my gas guzzling Jeep/SUV, I want to eat whatever the hell I want and take road trips where ever I want. I want to keep my home at a balmy 80 degrees or a cool 60 degrees if I want. Will I do many of these tings often, no, but it scares the hell out of me to hear a president say that I can't.

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I want to continue living as an American in the greatest land in the world.

I want to drive my gas guzzling Jeep/SUV, I want to eat whatever the hell I want and take road trips where ever I want. I want to keep my home at a balmy 80 degrees or a cool 60 degrees if I want. Will I do many of these tings often, no, but it scares the hell out of me to hear a president say that I can't.

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Ok, so it sounds like you do not want to give the american dream to foreign countries.

ok, just making sure I wasn't the only one.
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Ok, so it sounds like you do not want to give the american dream to foreign countries.

ok, just making sure I wasn't the only one.
I couldn't care less if others want to live the same way we do, but to care what they think of the way we live is less then a concern to me. I'm more concerned with worrying about if I have to shit then I am with what others think of the way I do things.
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what is wrong with communism?
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Give me an example of communism working for more then 62 years.
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Give me an example of communism working for more then 62 years.
Give me an example of a communist state as outlined by Karl Marx

communism is an economic system not a form of government.
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Give me an example of a communist state as outlined by Karl Marx

communism is an economic system not a form of government.


Ok, let me re-phrase my question to your needs. Please list a country that both practiced communism, and succeeded.
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Ok, let me re-phrase my question to your needs. Please list a country that both practiced communism, and succeeded.
give me an example of any country succeeding for a long period of time...



But yes, i'm not a big fan of obama
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Ok, let me re-phrase my question to your needs. Please list a country that both practiced communism, and succeeded.
AFIK none, which coincidentally is the exact same amount that have tried Marxist communism.

sorry for the communism derail.
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But yes, i'm not a big fan of obama
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what is wrong with communism?
Animal Farm.
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Animal Farm.
animal farm is a good analogue to soviet "communism" It however is not a good example of Marxist communism.
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I agree with the statement in yellow. I don't think we should expect the rest of the world to be OK with our level of consumption of the worlds resources nor our level of CO2 emissions. Whether we should care what the rest of the world is OK with is another debate. I also agree that if we want to continue to be a "World Leader" we need to come up with a solution that will allow us, and the rest of the world, to live comfortably without destroying the planet and using up all the resources. I think it's stupid of us to think that we can continue to use limited, nonrenewable resources at an ever increasing rate and not expect it to cause problems later.
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Ok, so it sounds like you do not want to give the american dream to foreign countries.

ok, just making sure I wasn't the only one.
No, he's starting to show his "highly liberal" core as the "hopeful", "moderate", "centrist" veneer starts to wear thin as he feels he's close to getting the nomination locked in.

He doesn't want to export the American dream - he wants us to adopt the European dream ($9 gas, small home/apartment living, "socialist-ish" cradle-to-grave social programs, increased government power and regulation, etc... Except for him and his, of course...
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I agree with the statement in yellow. I don't think we should expect the rest of the world to be OK with our level of consumption of the worlds resources nor our level of CO2 emissions. Whether we should care what the rest of the world is OK with is another debate. I also agree that if we want to continue to be a "World Leader" we need to come up with a solution that will allow us, and the rest of the world, to live comfortably without destroying the planet and using up all the resources. I think it's stupid of us to think that we can continue to use limited, nonrenewable resources at an ever increasing rate and not expect it to cause problems later.

I think we need to be smart with resources and cleaner pollution-wise - but we need to do so in a thoughtful manner - not adopting the latest pseudo-scientific fad.

We also need to acknowledge culture. We broke from the cultural hangovers of vassal Europe which influence European culture to this day. We're more like Australians in our lifestyles and attitudes than Germans or Frenchmen.
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