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Old May 19th, 2008, 11:15 AM   #1
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I have been looking at this for some time now. Looking at all the different "kits" being sold to install on cars. What is everyones thoughts on this subject? Does anyone know someone PERSONALLY that is using one?
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Old May 20th, 2008, 02:27 PM   #2
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Does NO-ONE have any opinions on this?
Has anyone built a cell yet? I'm building one this weekend..I'll post photos and/or video when completed.
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Oh no, not this again.
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are you saying it doesnt work?
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are you saying it doesnt work?
Basically.
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If a couple hundred dollar investment saved THOUSANDS on gas bills then it would have been done thousands of times over by the Big 3
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Ask a chemist about Brown's gas use in a vehicle and how the Brown's gas is generated. I guarantee you will be involved in a conversation about the conservation of energy as related to thermal dynamics.

I'm not going to get back on my soap box about this subject. If the masses wish to install magic fairy gas generators on their vehicles then more power too them.
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Ok, one mini rant. HHO does note exist as a molucule but is in fact a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen that evolves from galvanic action when a current is passed through a water electrolyte and the component gasses are not collected individually from the anode and cathode.
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so are you saying that the gas doesnt exist? or is incapable of assisting in fuel consumption?
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You are building one this weekend and you don't even know if the gas exists?
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Dont listen to these guys, they're afraid that their fart-cans and smoke stacks will rust apart.
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I already know it exists...I've been blowing up 2 liter bottles with it.
I'm asking if THEY think it doesnt exist.
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You are going to use more energy to make the gas then you will gain.
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First one I built i used an old mason jar and lid, 2 stainless steel bolts, one pentium 3 aluminum heatsink (attached to a bolt), distilled water w/baking soda and a jumpstart 12V battery.

Cost : nothing

My current setup i dont use a heatsink, but a series of tubes modeled after stan meyers electrodes and its all placed into a water filter housing. Puts out about 1L per min.

BTW : (It's for my tyme masheen)
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so are you saying that the gas doesnt exist? or is incapable of assisting in fuel consumption?
I'm saying it is not a molecule but a mixture of two molecules. Buy writting HHO in IUPAC nominclature you are representing an individual entity. The proper way would be a gas containing H2 and O2. Hydrogen and oxygen are not stable in a mono-atomic state so they exist as diatomic molecules.

The downfall of this device is where the energy comes from to generate the gas. Water (H2O) is in a very stable electochemical state. To seperate the base constituants into hydrogen and oxygen takes a large about of energy. The energy to do this is coming from your engine (some of the browns gas ding dongs argue and say alternator but guess what powers the alternator).

To make things simple, let's say that it take the same amount of energy to break down 1 quart of water into H2 and O2 as driving 10 miles. When you burn the volume of gas generated by that one quart of water you will find that you will only get 5 or 6 miles out of it. Some of the energy consumed by the electrolytic process was wasted as heat. This is the basic law of thermal dynamics. These unit actually cause a slight drop is fuel mileage due to the fuel comsumed to generate the gas.
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by using my vehicles electrical system?
According to the literature; alternator modified, O2 sensors modified, 5 to 15 amps on 12 to 14 volts.
This is only to assist...not run completely on it.
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by using my vehicles electrical system?
According to the literature; alternator modified, O2 sensors modified, 5 to 15 amps on 12 to 14 volts.
This is only to assist...not run completely on it.
It doesn't work. BUT you should install one anyway because I don't know what I'm talking about.

I will no longer post of this subject because I'm doing the same rant as before. A fool and their money SHOULD be parted.

Do yourself a favor and talk to a chemist before you invest.
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by using my vehicles electrical system?
According to the literature; alternator modified, O2 sensors modified, 5 to 15 amps on 12 to 14 volts.
This is only to assist...not run completely on it.
You don't understand. Modifying your electrical system has nothing to do with it.
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I really appreciate the input. I am not in any way argueing..I am asking for educated answers.
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I really appreciate the input. I am not in any way argueing..I am asking for educated answers.
It takes almost no education to realize that, if it was viable to get this gas from water efficiently to use as a combustible, or as an assist in combustion, that we would be using this gas as a mainstream energy source. Power plants, dams, solar, hydro-electric power is all more efficient at producing electricity than a car's alternator. If they can't efficiently create hydrogen from water, than I doubt anything you can do to your car will help it to efficiently make a gas that will make more energy than it takes to make the gas.
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