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Old May 19th, 2008, 09:10 AM   #1
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Dave,

Since you're so sure of what you believe I figure you're probably the best guy to go to.... I watched this film and am very confused, maybe you could watch this film and explain it to me (at least, the part about Jesus). Please, help me to believe: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

It starts out kind of weird for the first 5 minutes or so, but hang in there. It will make sense.

I'm looking forward to your explanations so that Mike and I can become believers just like you.

Hey, maybe RyeBread can jump in on this and help out....?

Thanks Buddy!
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Mike Sova would love this guy


But atleast mike copy and paste ideas from articles instead of letting people think it's his own work .
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Old May 19th, 2008, 12:27 PM   #4
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My apologies if this was already covered. Please show me where so I can read how the part about Jesus was explained so I can be a believer too.

Thanks!
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But atleast mike copy and paste ideas from articles instead of letting people think it's his own work .
Who are you referring to? Couldn't be me, because I'm not representing this as my own work. It is a link to a movie someone else made.... Or did you not realize that? If I were talking to you I could speak very slowly for you, but I'm typing, and I must type too fast for you.....
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Who are you referring to? Couldn't be me, because I'm not representing this as my own work. It is a link to a movie someone else made.... Or did you not realize that? If I were talking to you I could speak very slowly for you, but I'm typing, and I must type too fast for you.....
Just noticing how you actually put a link up this time. I guess your learning. Please teach me how speaking slowly over the internet works . . . I'm pretty on that one.

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It is all lies, that is my answer. It is nothing more than a bunch of made up crap, stemming from the objective of our enemy to derail people from faith in Christ. The problem is that it is just made up crap, in other words, ITS ALL LIES.

http://www.gotquestions.org/zeitgeist-movie.html Check out some of what I am saying here.

Keep this in mind, wild claims like this will always come up, people will say they found the grave of Christ, NO THEY DIDN'T, people will claim that Jesus got married and had children, HE DIDN'T. All of these claims fail to stand up to even a tenth of the scrutiny that the Bible has. All of these claims are based on LIES, not on facts.
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It is all lies, that is my answer. It is nothing more than a bunch of made up crap, stemming from the objective of our enemy to derail people from faith in Christ. The problem is that it is just made up crap, in other words, ITS ALL LIES.

http://www.gotquestions.org/zeitgeist-movie.html Check out some of what I am saying here.

Keep this in mind, wild claims like this will always come up, people will say they found the grave of Christ, NO THEY DIDN'T, people will claim that Jesus got married and had children, HE DIDN'T. All of these claims fail to stand up to even a tenth of the scrutiny that the Bible has. All of these claims are based on LIES, not on facts.

Yah, that's what I thought you'd say.

Well, your source mentioned this:

"Of course, neither does the movie note the following facts:

The many archaeological details confirming New Testament accounts.

The historically confirmed references to the details of the life of Christ."

Please, provide us with these things. Don't keep them to yourself. I would love to see them.
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WOOOOOOOO~!!! This movie hurt my head. GO JESUS!!!!
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It is all lies, that is my answer.

All of these claims fail to stand up to even a tenth of the scrutiny that the Bible has. All of these claims are based on LIES, not on facts.

Yah, that's what you always say when we show you all the contradictions and nonsense in the bible.

What scrutiny does the bible stand up to? I can tear it apart, as do countless people all over the world, but all you do is say that they are lying, then have the gall to say that your bible is based on FACTS. What facts? Facts can be proven within a reasonable doubt.
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How is that link relevant?
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It is all lies, that is my answer. It is nothing more than a bunch of made up crap, stemming from the objective of our enemy to derail people from faith in Christ. The problem is that it is just made up crap, in other words, ITS ALL LIES.

http://www.gotquestions.org/zeitgeist-movie.html Check out some of what I am saying here.

Keep this in mind, wild claims like this will always come up, people will say they found the grave of Christ, NO THEY DIDN'T, people will claim that Jesus got married and had children, HE DIDN'T. All of these claims fail to stand up to even a tenth of the scrutiny that the Bible has. All of these claims are based on LIES, not on facts.
Facts Dave.... Where are your facts?
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Facts Dave.... Where are your facts?
Funny how you call out Dave but watching a 15min segment of a movie is enough fact for you to completely undo all of Dave's beliefs :miff:
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Yah, that's what you always say when we show you all the contradictions and nonsense in the bible.

What scrutiny does the bible stand up to? I can tear it apart, as do countless people all over the world, but all you do is say that they are lying, then have the gall to say that your bible is based on FACTS. What facts? Facts can be proven within a reasonable doubt.
Dude, first off, I don't like debating you because you are off the wall. All insticts tell me to avoid you altogether, but what the heck, life is short.

The Bible stands up stronger than the majority of any history of its day. For example, before the year 150 AD, there were over 24,000 equal manuscripts of the New Testament. They survived unchanged all the way until today. Further, the original eye witnesses to the life of Christ wrote down what they saw and that is what was heavily multiplies to many thousands of copies within 100 years.

Hows that for FACTS, not made up lies by false teachers. Yes, you DO have to deal with facts more than heresay. Whay say you about this?
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Funny how you call out Dave but watching a 15min segment of a movie is enough fact for you to completely undo all of Dave's beliefs :miff:
Well, first of all the facts I find most compelling are far more than that bit of film. I thought it would be fun to see how he responds, and in his usual fashion all he could say is that anything contrary to his beliefs are lies, and that all of his beliefs are facts, and he uses his buy-bull to verify his "facts". That's all he ever has to stand on.
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Well, first of all the facts I find most compelling are far more than that bit of film. I thought it would be fun to see how he responds, and in his usual fashion all he could say is that anything contrary to his beliefs are lies, and that all of his beliefs are facts, and he uses his buy-bull to verify his "facts". That's all he ever has to stand on.
Where did you find these facts? I mean you weren't around then, how do you know if all of it wasn't made up?
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Dude, first off, I don't like debating you because you are off the wall. All insticts tell me to avoid you altogether, but what the heck, life is short.

The Bible stands up stronger than the majority of any history of its day. For example, before the year 150 AD, there were over 24,000 equal manuscripts of the New Testament. They survived unchanged all the way until today. Further, the original eye witnesses to the life of Christ wrote down what they saw and that is what was heavily multiplies to many thousands of copies within 100 years.

Hows that for FACTS, not made up lies by false teachers. Yes, you DO have to deal with facts more than heresay. Whay say you about this?
The last sentence of your second paragraph made no sense whatsoever...

The bible has "stood" because for a couple thousand years it has been forced upon everyone, and anyone that would not accept it was burned, tortured, killed, etc. It continued without contest out of fear, and it's rabid followers felt that it was appropriate to burn anything that proved anything that was not in keeping with biblical text and the church. BTW, wasn't the KJV a C of E approved text?

"Unchanged"? Even your fellow believers know better:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible...00_changes.htm

That alone should be enough for you to at least admit that your use of the word "unchanged" may be an error.
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