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Old November 14th, 2005, 04:46 PM   #1
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Ever wonder what our neighbors get for their money?

this the complied laws from Ohio. this will show you how bad the state of michigan is ripping off its users, they have ONE FUND! they do not spread the wealth through six or seven different user groups, everyone pays the same fees...even mountain bikers
http://www.northeasttrailriders.com/laws.htm

Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles, Ohio Revised Code, Chapter 4519-
see Ohio Revised Code chapter 4519 for online details
  1. Registration All ORVs (off-road vehicles- ATVs, dirtbikes, snowmobiles) must be properly registered with the BMV.
    Registration costs $7.25 and is good for 3 years.
    The alphanumberic sticker must be affixed to your machine.
    All ORV owners will need to present proof of ownership when registering their vehicle with the BMV.

  2. Operation Regulations
    An ORV may be used:
    • to cross a highway other than a limited access highway or freeway
    • on county and township highways whenever approved by those having jurisdictional authority over them
    • off and alongside streets or highways from the place of unloading the vehicle to the place at which it is intended and authorized to be used
    • on the berm or shoulder of any highway, other than a limited access highway, or freeway when the terrain is such that the vehicle can be used safely
    • on the berm or shoulder of a county or township road when traveling from one area of operation to another
    An ORV may NOT be used:
    • on any limited access highway or freeway or the right-of-way
    • on any private property without special permission of owner or in any nursery or planting area
    • on any state-controlled land or waters except those which have been posted as permitting ORVs
    • on track or right-of-way of any operating railroad
    • when carrying a loaded or un-cased firearm, bow or other hunting implement
    • to chase, pursue, capture or kill any animal or wildlife
    • from one-half hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise, unless displaying a lighted headlight and taillight as required under equipment regulations
  3. Licensing and Restrictions Persons under 16 years of age must be supervised by a licensed motor vehicle operator of at least 18 years old.
    Any operator involved in a an accident resulting in personal injury, death, or property damage in excess of $100 to report it to the state highway patrol with 48 hours.
  4. Protective Gear No specific mention is made, although good sense predicates the use of helmet, goggles, and boots as a minimum.
  5. Insurance No mention is made as to whether liability insurance is required although they request you sign a document stating that you in fact DO have insurance similar to
  6. when licensing an on-road vehicle.
Don't forget to read this
http://www.northeasttrailriders.com/laws.htm#bill286

its the best thing that could happen to michigan if someone could get it on the table and into our senate. it would open riding on private properties all over the state.
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Old November 14th, 2005, 05:01 PM   #2
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that no liability thing would be great, any chance of it heading up here?
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Old November 14th, 2005, 05:32 PM   #3
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I talked to Gene DeRosset (rep) but he is no longer in office. I would like to see it pushed and supported by a group(s). it has the potencial to change they way we do offraod.
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Old November 14th, 2005, 08:40 PM   #4
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First, I'm pretty sure that this has nothing to do with "full size vehicles" It seems to me to be just for bikes and quads.

Second, does anyone know how many legal, public (wellsville is private) off road riding areas are in Ohio. I'm not sure but I think the number is pretty close to zero. The $7.25 seems gives them the right to ride along the side of the road, thats all.
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Old November 14th, 2005, 09:01 PM   #5
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(wellsville is private)
Most Yellow Creek entrances are private, the majority of the wheeling land is not.
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Old November 14th, 2005, 09:52 PM   #6
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Most Yellow Creek entrances are private, the majority of the wheeling land is not.
As far as I know ALL the wheeling land there is privately owned.
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Old November 14th, 2005, 10:15 PM   #7
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well anyway its ohio, they are 20 years behind michigan. They did vote for Bush.......

this state just needs to get better organized and the general public needs to be informed that off-roading isn't a crime (well unless you are doing it illegally)
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Old November 14th, 2005, 10:17 PM   #8
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As far as I know ALL the wheeling land there is privately owned.
I could have sworn I heard different from the locals... but I can't find anything either way online
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Old November 14th, 2005, 10:32 PM   #9
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I could have sworn I heard different from the locals... but I can't find anything either way online
I know that some of the trails there did show on my GPS as roads so those might be public right of ways. Some ever showed as "township highway XXX" with a number.
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Old November 15th, 2005, 01:01 AM   #10
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The land at wellsville (yellow creek) is all owned by 3 or 4 different private owners.

It's either 3 that own the majority and one that owns like 5 acres of it (Forbidden zone.. campground)

or 2 that own the majority and the one that owns the campground and the small area around it

None of the wheeling area in the 'wellsville' park is publicly owned.
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None of the wheeling area in the 'wellsville' park is publicly owned.
So either the owners are super nice people and love 4wheeling enough to make $0 on it... or everyone that wheels at Wellsville (Yellow Creek) are trespassing....
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I have never heard of anything over by Wellsville is there more info you can give me on it?
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Old November 15th, 2005, 05:30 AM   #13
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First, I'm pretty sure that this has nothing to do with "full size vehicles" It seems to me to be just for bikes and quads.

Second, does anyone know how many legal, public (wellsville is private) off road riding areas are in Ohio. I'm not sure but I think the number is pretty close to zero. The $7.25 seems gives them the right to ride along the side of the road, thats all.
if you read the part below it says the we all fall under the deffenition of "all purpose vehicles"
its would make it so much easyer to get access to areas that adjoin state lands and have the right of ways open up under all the power lines, it could open hundreds of miles of new trail if someone like Consumers power could take down their gates because of the removed liability.

House Bill 286
Section 1. That section 1533.18 of the Revised Code be amended to read as follows:
Sec. 1533.18. As used in sections 1533.18 and 1533.181 of the Revised Code:
(A) "Premises" means all privately-owned lands, ways, and waters, and any buildings and structures thereon, and all state-owned lands, ways, and waters leased to a private person, firm, or organization, or corporation, including any buildings and structures thereon.
(B) "Recreational user" means a person to whom permission has been granted, without the payment of a fee or consideration to the owner, lessee, or occupant of premises, other than a fee or consideration paid to the state or any agency thereof, to enter upon premises to hunt, fish, trap, camp, hike, swim, operate a snowmobile or all-purpose vehicle, or engage in other recreational pursuits.
(C) "All-purpose vehicle" has the same meaning as in section 4519.01 of the Revised Code.
Section 2. That existing section 1533.18 of the Revised Code is hereby repealed.
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Old November 15th, 2005, 07:53 AM   #14
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So either the owners are super nice people and love 4wheeling enough to make $0 on it... or everyone that wheels at Wellsville (Yellow Creek) are trespassing....

I'm not real sure but the impression I got from talking to people down there is that the land has been owned by the same people for many years and that people have just always 4 wheeled there. I believe all 3 owners have some type of camping area and attempt to make some money off it, but I don't think they realize who much they could be making if they offered more services and promoted it better.
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Old November 15th, 2005, 08:36 AM   #15
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I'll need to do more research into this. As far as I know, the difference between Michigan and Ohio is that for your $16.25 a year in Michigan you get access to 4 scramble area and all the money collected goes to the ORV program, although much of it goes to ORV education and law enforcment quite a bit goes towards maintaining the ORV trail system but the $7.25 in Ohio just lets you operate along the shoulder of certian roads. I'm not sure how this relates to power lines. I did hear that they had passed a law allowing utilities to allow recreational usages of thier lands without being held liable for what happens there. If we could get something like that passed in Michigan it be great.
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thats the HB 286, its what took the heat off of property owners. I think it would be a godsend to get it here. then the DNR wouldn't have anything to complain about when it came to riding off their portion of 3100 miles of trail in L.P.
if you read the whole bill its full of good things for all to use.

as fopr the $7.25 Ohio pays for their stickers, it lets them ride legal in the state parks as well as every other riding oppertunity. and its good for 3 years.. as for trail maintenance you find they let the fed manage a greater portion of their systems so they have more funding from the Dept. Of the Interior.
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thats the HB 286, its what took the heat off of property owners. I think it would be a godsend to get it here. then the DNR wouldn't have anything to complain about when it came to riding off their portion of 3100 miles of trail in L.P.
if you read the whole bill its full of good things for all to use.

as fopr the $7.25 Ohio pays for their stickers, it lets them ride legal in the state parks as well as every other riding oppertunity. and its good for 3 years.. as for trail maintenance you find they let the fed manage a greater portion of their systems so they have more funding from the Dept. Of the Interior.
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ATVs (All Terrain Vehicles or APVs...All Purpose Vehiclse) are not allowed on state park trails. The Ohio Division of Forestry has four State Forests that have designated areas for ATV's (motor cycles, quad runners and etc.) but no areas for jeeps, trucks and 4WD cars or buses.
from HERE

I'm still loooking for the actual text for HB 286

Edit... it's H.B. 286 from the 124th General Assembly for anyone looking:

http://198.234.151.5/analyses/anh124...2?OpenDocument

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I'll do some digging but I remember there being trails for the Big 4x4s. I know I have seen it.
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Old November 20th, 2005, 06:34 AM   #19
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that is my only concern, i hate it when they allow bikes and quads, but dont allow trucks.. thoes things do just as much damage to the land as a truck, and lot more people get hirt on quads and bikes. If a network of trails opened up for fullsizes that would fricken rock! but as for the $7.. it does seem that they only can ride on the side of the road, it doesnt really say anythign bout trail riding, although i dont know what michigan's orv says in its pass ether.. if its the samething then we are geting ripped the #### off
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