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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:15 AM   #61
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So, since more people in cars are hospitalized with head injuries than motorcycles, I shouldn't have to pay for them on my insurance. I'd venture to say that the law of averages states there are more cars on the road then motorcycles, thus more car accidents and more injuries resulting from them. I'd venture to say that a HIGHER percentage of people involved in motorcycle accidents suffer serious injuries then thos involved in accidents in the car....prove me wrong.How about if you decide that you want to speed, you sign off on your rights to coverage. You choose to drive in a vehicle that is unsafe? No coverage.
Once again, the media and insurance companies tell you what to think, and like the sheep people are, they follow suit. Name one state that passed a freedom of choice helmet law that can show insurance rates went up.

Do I wear a seat belt? All the time. Do I think it should be a law? Nope. At the checkpoint,there are probably 10 to 15 officers there, at least 4 or 5 cars, and a ton of taxpayer money wasted.

Every day on my ride to work I watch people drive 20 to 25 MPH over the limit on M59. I watch people routinely run redlights, stop signs, and make unsafe lane changes. To waste police manpower on a seatbelt zone is bullshit.
I won't argue that there are other more dangerous things going on, but law is law. Don't want the ticket, wear the belt. Pretty simple. Also let us not forget that many routine traffic stops turn into arrests due to outstanding warrants. I have no problem with the departments running these operations if it gets at least one or two criminals arrested due to outstanding warrants, and the rest of you, well like i said, wear your belt and it wont happen.

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Not wearing a seat belt (or a helmet) is natures way of thinning the herd.

I agree. If you don't want to wear it fine, but as iceman suggested then your insurance coverage is null and void so that the rest of society doesn't have their rates go up due to your stupidity.
The statistics don't lie, crash labs at TRW, AutoLiv, Takata, GM, Ford, Key Safety, DCX, Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Volvo, the Federal Government, etc. Do not lie. You ARE SAFER WEARING YOUR SEATBELT. How hard is that to figure out?
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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:24 AM   #62
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I won't argue that there are other more dangerous things going on, but law is law. Don't want the ticket, wear the belt. Pretty simple. Also let us not forget that many routine traffic stops turn into arrests due to outstanding warrants. I have no problem with the departments running these operations if it gets at least one or two criminals arrested due to outstanding warrants, and the rest of you, well like i said, wear your belt and it wont happen.




I agree. If you don't want to wear it fine, but as iceman suggested then your insurance coverage is null and void so that the rest of society doesn't have their rates go up due to your stupidity.
The statistics don't lie, crash labs at TRW, AutoLiv, Takata, GM, Ford, Key Safety, DCX, Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Volvo, the Federal Government, etc. Do not lie. You ARE SAFER WEARING YOUR SEATBELT. How hard is that to figure out?

Don't forget about Toyoda Gosei Safety Systems..........
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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:27 AM   #63
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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:29 AM   #64
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The statistics don't lie, crash labs at TRW, AutoLiv, Takata, GM, Ford, Key Safety, DCX, Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Volvo, the Federal Government, etc. Do not lie. You ARE SAFER WEARING YOUR SEATBELT. How hard is that to figure out?
That's not hard to understand at all. The hard part to understand is how the government can presume it has the authority to override an individual's rights over their own body. They overstep their bounds in this area. Education/awareness is one thing. Rights to one's self are another.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:33 AM   #65
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That's not hard to understand at all. The hard part to understand is how the government can presume it has the authority to override an individual's rights over their own body. They overstep their bounds in this area. Education/awareness is one thing. Rights to one's self are another.

I don't disagree, but when people are required to have insurance on their vehicles (and for good reason) why should my insurance costs have to go up because you chose not to wear your seatbelt and cost the insurance company a bunch of money while you sat in vegetable state in the hospital for 5 months?

Make it real easy, no belt, no coverage.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 12:43 PM   #66
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What I don't understand is if we're going to enforce wearing your seatbelt, why can't vehicle manufacturers get rid of frontal airbags, since they are supplemental (to protect you simpletons too FUCKING stupid to wear a seatbelt).
Must be why I drive older vehicles, oh wait I don't wear my seatbelt then either. And when I rolled at around 30-40mph in the snow I held onto the wheel and stayed mostly where I needed to.

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Not wearing a seat belt (or a helmet) is natures way of thinning the herd.
Hasn't worked for many states then. Look how many idiots there are in Indy and Ill on bikes. Might as well use the same claim for bikers to wear all leathers and big leather boots when they ride.


BTW on facts who actaully pays in Michigan for health costs when you are in the Hospital. Since we have the stupid no fault rule, you can't sue for moeny. Is it just tax payer cash, or auto insurance, or Medical insurance, or Medicare?

The auto insurance going up because of non-seatlbelt wearers is crap. Mine insurance hasn't stopped going up and there isn't a single claim or infraction. Why should my insuirance go up for you people that claim scratches or dents, or rearend someone else.
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If this is the way you feel thats fine, theres lots of people that feel the same way. However people with this point of view should have to fill out a form that disqualifys them from any type of insurance, Health or life. So when there are ejected from there car in an accident or they fall of there chopper with out a helmet, they can't collect from the insurance company.
Unfortunately this is exactly the problem with the government providing health care... The government will try to lower the cost by requiring a bunch of crap from citizens. Privatize health care, and the problem is fixed.... well, i guess it is not that easy.
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Must be why I drive older vehicles, oh wait I don't wear my seatbelt then either. And when I rolled at around 30-40mph in the snow I held onto the wheel and stayed mostly where I needed to.



Hasn't worked for many states then. Look how many idiots there are in Indy and Ill on bikes. Might as well use the same claim for bikers to wear all leathers and big leather boots when they ride.


BTW on facts who actaully pays in Michigan for health costs when you are in the Hospital. Since we have the stupid no fault rule, you can't sue for moeny. Is it just tax payer cash, or auto insurance, or Medical insurance, or Medicare?

The auto insurance going up because of non-seatlbelt wearers is crap. Mine insurance hasn't stopped going up and there isn't a single claim or infraction. Why should my insuirance go up for you people that claim scratches or dents, or rearend someone else.

And no helmet law in OH . . . but my wife makes me wear one :tonka:
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Wekk I think this is part of the sociallistic goverment that we live with. First let me say I'm againist seat belts laws and helemtl laws I'm a fully grown person I don't need some one else to tell me for my own safety to buckle up I full understand why I should it should not be forced apond me but by the same time I have seen more times that seat belts have killed people. So this one should be left up to a fully grown person to decide this on there own.
I agree totally with you on this however i do wear my seat belt and used to wear a helmet when i had a bike.I am not 3 so i dont need the goverment to hold my hand.
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Unfortunatly the government owns the roads that you operate your vehicles on, that's why they can impose their will on you. As I said earlier, I owned a wrecker business and from what I've seen, people ejected from vehicles seldom make it, those that did not have a seat belt on seldom make it. Occasionally somebody wearing a seatbelt does not make it but more often they do.

I don't care if anybody wears their seatbelt or not, its the law and if you don't follow the law don't bitch when you have to pony up the 65 bucks.

If you choose not to wear a seat belt lead a clean lifestyle also. Keep the weed out of your car cuz they're gonna find it.
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Unfortunatly the government owns the roads that you operate your vehicles on, that's why they can impose their will on you. As I said earlier, I owned a wrecker business and from what I've seen, people ejected from vehicles seldom make it, those that did not have a seat belt on seldom make it. Occasionally somebody wearing a seatbelt does not make it but more often they do.

I don't care if anybody wears their seatbelt or not, its the law and if you don't follow the law don't bitch when you have to pony up the 65 bucks.

If you choose not to wear a seat belt lead a clean lifestyle also. Keep the weed out of your car cuz they're gonna find it.
I agree it is safer and it is the law thats why i always wear it, its just the principal of someone telling me what to do that pisses me off.
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I agree it is safer and it is the law thats why i always wear it, its just the principal of someone telling me what to do that pisses me off.
Well the reason people have to be told things, is that some others aren't smart enough to do them on their own. So rather than tell just the people who aren't smart enough, they tell us all so that some of us can think, "duh", and others can get pissed claiming it is communist and say the cold war never happened.
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I agree it is safer and it is the law thats why i always wear it, its just the principal of someone telling me what to do that pisses me off.
I'm on your side 100% but its still the law.
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So, when the government decides that people in all vehicles should wear helmets for safety, you all will be okay with that? If you check the facts, quite a few people suffer severe head injuries in automobiles that could have been avoided by wearing a helmet, so it would seem if we want to cut the burden to society, we should require helmets in cars as well. Then it would be a fair and equal law.
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So, when the government decides that people in all vehicles should wear helmets for safety, you all will be okay with that? If you check the facts, quite a few people suffer severe head injuries in automobiles that could have been avoided by wearing a helmet, so it would seem if we want to cut the burden to society, we should require helmets in cars as well. Then it would be a fair and equal law.

Sure why not.
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So, when the government decides that people in all vehicles should wear helmets for safety, you all will be okay with that? If you check the facts, quite a few people suffer severe head injuries in automobiles that could have been avoided by wearing a helmet, so it would seem if we want to cut the burden to society, we should require helmets in cars as well. Then it would be a fair and equal law.
fair and equal to what?
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I was curious about the seatbelt issue and the cj2a on public roads. so I asked my buddy who is a cop and he said it does not apply and that I could not get a ticket. still I wonder.
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fair and equal to what?
cars and motorcycles, no one can claim discrimination against bikers then.
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cars and motorcycles, no one can claim discrimination against bikers then.

Fair enough as long as the motorcyclists wear seat belts while riding!
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