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Old May 17th, 2008, 01:00 PM   #21
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Wekk I think this is part of the sociallistic goverment that we live with. First let me say I'm againist seat belts laws and helemtl laws I'm a fully grown person I don't need some one else to tell me for my own safety to buckle up I full understand why I should it should not be forced apond me but by the same time I have seen more times that seat belts have killed people. So this one should be left up to a fully grown person to decide this on there own.
Fine, don't wear either one, but please just make sure you die in any accident and DO NOT hurt anyone else in the process. You can NOT get any government assistance and the insurance companies should let you rot on the side of the highway.
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So, since more people in cars are hospitalized with head injuries than motorcycles, I shouldn't have to pay for them on my insurance. How about if you decide that you want to speed, you sign off on your rights to coverage. You choose to drive in a vehicle that is unsafe? No coverage.
Once again, the media and insurance companies tell you what to think, and like the sheep people are, they follow suit. Name one state that passed a freedom of choice helmet law that can show insurance rates went up.

Do I wear a seat belt? All the time. Do I think it should be a law? Nope. At the checkpoint,there are probably 10 to 15 officers there, at least 4 or 5 cars, and a ton of taxpayer money wasted.

Every day on my ride to work I watch people drive 20 to 25 MPH over the limit on M59. I watch people routinely run redlights, stop signs, and make unsafe lane changes. To waste police manpower on a seatbelt zone is bullshit.
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although I cannot drive anywhere without my seatbelt.
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Old May 17th, 2008, 01:20 PM   #23
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They should make shoulder belts for motorcycles. This way when a biker gets into a head on collision with a car, tree, or truck hopefully the guy on the bike will survive.

How many times have any of you been in an accident where the seatbelt saved your life? Better yet how many of you been in an accident? Maybe 2% of this forum?

Laws like this are easily broken. They generate revenue for the city. It is all about money.
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Old May 17th, 2008, 01:21 PM   #24
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They should make shoulder belts for motorcycles. This way when a biker gets into a head on collision with a car, tree, or truck hopefully the guy on the bike will survive.

How many times have any of you been in an accident where the seatbelt saved your life? Better yet how many of you been in an accident? Maybe 2% of this forum?

Laws like this are easily broken. They generate revenue for the city. It is all about money.
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So, since more people in cars are hospitalized with head injuries than motorcycles, I shouldn't have to pay for them on my insurance. How about if you decide that you want to speed, you sign off on your rights to coverage. You choose to drive in a vehicle that is unsafe? No coverage.
Once again, the media and insurance companies tell you what to think, and like the sheep people are, they follow suit. Name one state that passed a freedom of choice helmet law that can show insurance rates went up.

Do I wear a seat belt? All the time. Do I think it should be a law? Nope. At the checkpoint,there are probably 10 to 15 officers there, at least 4 or 5 cars, and a ton of taxpayer money wasted.

Every day on my ride to work I watch people drive 20 to 25 MPH over the limit on M59. I watch people routinely run redlights, stop signs, and make unsafe lane changes. To waste police manpower on a seatbelt zone is bullshit.
Agree whole heartedly. Now the only way a lot of police officers can get OT is by running speed traps and enforcement zones. They do not do that no OT so I can see why they run them I just do not agree with it. And yes I have seen seat belts save lives and cost lives to. This is from first hand experience working for the fire department.
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All drivers of vehicles over 25mph should be mandated to wear helmets. It is for their own safety.
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Old May 17th, 2008, 02:59 PM   #27
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So, since more people in cars are hospitalized with head injuries than motorcycles, I shouldn't have to pay for them on my insurance. How about if you decide that you want to speed, you sign off on your rights to coverage. You choose to drive in a vehicle that is unsafe? No coverage.
Once again, the media and insurance companies tell you what to think, and like the sheep people are, they follow suit. Name one state that passed a freedom of choice helmet law that can show insurance rates went up.

Do I wear a seat belt? All the time. Do I think it should be a law? Nope. At the checkpoint,there are probably 10 to 15 officers there, at least 4 or 5 cars, and a ton of taxpayer money wasted.

Every day on my ride to work I watch people drive 20 to 25 MPH over the limit on M59. I watch people routinely run redlights, stop signs, and make unsafe lane changes. To waste police manpower on a seatbelt zone is bullshit.

x2 but remember those guys are out there due to grant money and not coming out of the depts budget, so in reality its not a waste...those guys get alittle over time and the state can gererate some funds
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So, since more people in cars are hospitalized with head injuries than motorcycles, I shouldn't have to pay for them on my insurance. How about if you decide that you want to speed, you sign off on your rights to coverage. You choose to drive in a vehicle that is unsafe? No coverage.
Once again, the media and insurance companies tell you what to think, and like the sheep people are, they follow suit. Name one state that passed a freedom of choice helmet law that can show insurance rates went up.

Do I wear a seat belt? All the time. Do I think it should be a law? Nope. At the checkpoint,there are probably 10 to 15 officers there, at least 4 or 5 cars, and a ton of taxpayer money wasted.

Every day on my ride to work I watch people drive 20 to 25 MPH over the limit on M59. I watch people routinely run redlights, stop signs, and make unsafe lane changes. To waste police manpower on a seatbelt zone is bullshit.
x4 but they have to make some money some how . . . I mean why work when you can just ticket people for choosing civil disobedience? I'm sure they would much rather do this then fight crime.
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Old May 17th, 2008, 03:08 PM   #29
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x2 but remember those guys are out there due to grant money and not coming out of the depts budget, so in reality its not a waste...those guys get alittle over time and the state can gererate some funds

Grant money still comes out of our (taxpayers) pockets. What do you think, its free?
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Options: Walk, no seat belt involved. Drive and obey the law. Driving is a privilege not a right. Drive and not wear a seat belt but don't whine when you get caught.
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Options: Walk, no seat belt involved. Drive and obey the law. Driving is a privilege not a right. Drive and not wear a seat belt but don't whine when you get caught.
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drive with so seat belt-your choice, this has got to be the worst argument reguarding seatbelt laws.

edit to previous post: i ALWAYS wear a belt when off road. no laws about that, but that just makes sense
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What happens if you roll up in a vehicle pre-seatbelt era? What's the law on that?
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What happens if you roll up in a vehicle pre-seatbelt era? What's the law on that?
You're all good. I believe 64 and older.
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You're all good. I believe 64 and older.
I want to go seatbelt enforcement zone hopping in one of those. Anyone have a 64 and older to cruise around in? :tonka:
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drive with so seat belt-your choice, this has got to be the worst argument reguarding seatbelt laws.

edit to previous post: i ALWAYS wear a belt when off road. no laws about that, but that just makes sense

I'm not arguing for or against seat belt laws. I'm tired of listening to people bitch. As far as I'm concerned you can drive 100 mph backward with your ass hanging out the window. I just don't want to hear you complain how its unfair that you can't do that in your own car.
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I want to go seatbelt enforcement zone hopping in one of those. Anyone have a 64 and older to cruise around in? :tonka:
If the vehicle has seat belts from the factory you must wear them regardlesss of the age. I have a 1968 Ford C8000 truck that only has a lap belt. I wear it but sometimes worry that since there is no shoulder belt I will be targeted for a stop.
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How many times have any of you been in an accident where the seatbelt saved your life? Better yet how many of you been in an accident? Maybe 2% of this forum?
I t-boned a car at 50 mph brakes locked up[his fault], my seat belt kept the bag outta my face
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x2 but remember those guys are out there due to grant money and not coming out of the depts budget, so in reality its not a waste...those guys get alittle over time and the state can gererate some funds

IMO, it is a waste. Theres far more important things to be spending that money on than catching the average working Joe without a seat belt. Dump that money into our shitty roads, spend it on finding and busting meth labs, even busting speeders in residential areas would be money better spent than seatbelt bullshit! Seatbelt enforcement...Money well wasted!!!!!
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Grant money still comes out of our (taxpayers) pockets. What do you think, its free?
Try insurance companies not the tax payers...but hey who cares right...Did you know insurance companies also pay for auto theft units?

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IMO, it is a waste. Theres far more important things to be spending that money on than catching the average working Joe without a seat belt. Dump that money into our shitty roads, spend it on finding and busting meth labs, even busting speeders in residential areas would be money better spent than seatbelt bullshit! Seatbelt enforcement...Money well wasted!!!!!

Did you read...its from grant money to used as the grant reads not for busting meth labs...money not wasted
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Seat belt laws = Bullshit

Banging your old lady may lead to pregnancy, which costs our insurance companies money, does that mean it should be outlawed? I understand the reasoning, I just think that any equipment put in place for your safety should be your choice.

It is the same as saying "your to stupid to take care of yourself, we as the government will put this cork on the end of your fork so you don't poke your own eye out. Dumb ass."
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