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Old May 20th, 2008, 06:10 PM   #101
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I agree with you for the most part, but calling it marriage or calling it something else doesn't change it. You're really just arguing semantics.

So if we let those who are married in a church be "married" and let everyone else be "unioned". Legallly, what's the difference? Nothing, so why call it something else?
Because some people still hold Marriage as a Sacred union of a Male and a Female. Not of A male and male or Female and Female. I would agree that it's kind of stupid to argue about, but I hold it Sacred.

Why do Gays (sorry if that sounds negitive) want it to be Marriage so much? If they really just want to be with each other and even share in Tax benefits then a "Civil union" should be just fine. But no, They want it to be called a Marriage. If they want to be Marriage, they should have the right components for that. In a Homosexual relationship, there is not the right components.



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Now you guys are just being retarded. Men adopt children all the time. And women opt for the aritificial insemination. SORRY, i will clarify better next time for the ones who cant understand.:miff:
I understood, I was more or less joking. Hence the :tonka:. I completely understand that men adopt and Women can get Artificially Inseminated, also I think they can do just as good/bad with kids as Straight parents. We're all humans. What I WAS saying was that no matter what, they can't truly reproduce because they are missing the other sex. I think it's that's probably a Design thing probably.

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yes I vote. for whom i think will lie the least and be of the least corrupt. I do not impose their will on others, they do that all by themselves. the problem is that religious types simply can't leave people alone. they are attention whores. if not I would not have a steady calvalcade bible thumpers coming to my house, catholics, lutherans, jehova witness (sp?) and any other number of false sense of security bitches bothering me every weekend. for what? to get me to sign up to your fantasy cult so I can waste the weekends bothering people? that is imposing beliefs.

voting is governmental and I am one of the few that still believes in the separation of church and state. by the way nuns are whores seeing as they are all married to "the lord" poligamist.
Ah, but the Nuns don't have sex. I thought that was a major component in being a Whore. Just Guessing though.

BTW, We're not attention whores, we doing what our savoir commands us to. I don't go door to door though. That's just...er...Mormonish. The Majority of Christians I know don't do that. OH, and sorry for relying on another higher power for Security. I just must not be at the Awesome level you are at.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 07:22 PM   #102
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Fawking fags. Why do they have to get married? Isnt living togather good enough? or do they really have to flaunt it even more and make all gays look even more stupid.
Thats why a lot of people don't like them. Becuae they have to flaunt the fact that they are gay.
fawking breeder, who are you to say something like that? there's douchebag gays, and there's douchebag breeders like yourself. there's stupid people all over the world, black, white, GAY, or STRAIGHT. people give people a bad name in general. of COURSE there's going to be over the top flamboyant homo's, but there's also OVER the top straight people as well. aka, you.

now if you would please go die. thanks


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Old May 20th, 2008, 08:08 PM   #103
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LOLZ!

You just got pwned by a GAY!!!

kbutsrslytho...breeder??? The dehumanization going on on both sides of this argument is hillarious.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:04 PM   #104
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I've heard gays use the term "breeder" before. I don't mind a bit, I sorta like breeding.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:18 PM   #105
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I've heard gays use the term "breeder" before. I don't mind a bit, I sorta like breeding.
I'm proud to be a "breeder"
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Because some people still hold Marriage as a Sacred union of a Male and a Female. Not of A male and male or Female and Female. I would agree that it's kind of stupid to argue about, but I hold it Sacred.
This is a legal marriage, not a religious marriage, feel free to hold your religious marriage sacred and feel disdain for those dirty gays who want to use your special word for them loving each other and wanting to spend the rest of their lives together.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:33 PM   #107
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This is a legal marriage, not a religious marriage, feel free to hold your religious marriage sacred and feel disdain for those dirty gays who want to use your special word for them loving each other and wanting to spend the rest of their lives together.
I hear what you're saying Mike. I posted earlier about not using the term "married" to describe their union. I still feel that a "marrage" is between a man and a woman but I don't have a problem with gays being bonded legally. Once again I don't stand firm on this it's just my personal preference. If gay unions are call marriages I can live with it.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 10:00 PM   #108
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I agree with you for the most part, but calling it marriage or calling it something else doesn't change it. You're really just arguing semantics.

So if we let those who are married in a church be "married" and let everyone else be "unioned". Legallly, what's the difference? Nothing, so why call it something else?
Your right that it is just semantics, but as you can tell from many of the other replied to this thread it's the semantics that people get hung up on. The debate rarely get beyond defining "marriage". So if we agree that legally we won't use the term "marriage" at all then maybe we can move to what I feel should be the real topic of discussion which is; Which rights and privileges typically given to "married" couples should be given to any to people who wish to make a life long commitments to each other, which should be only given to heterosexual or homosexual couples, and which should be given to parents raising children.
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fawking breeder, who are you to say something like that? there's douchebag gays, and there's douchebag breeders like yourself. there's stupid people all over the world, black, white, GAY, or STRAIGHT. people give people a bad name in general. of COURSE there's going to be over the top flamboyant homo's, but there's also OVER the top straight people as well. aka, you.

now if you would please go die. thanks


DIck Loving homo.
You are the one that gives your boy friends the bad name.
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Wow...

That just happened...
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Old May 20th, 2008, 11:26 PM   #111
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DIck Loving homo.
You are the one that gives your boy friends the bad name.
If he is gay, that makes him a dick loving homo by default doesn't it? Pussy loving homos are pretty rare.
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Wow...

That just happened...
Shakenbake! ?


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This is a legal marriage, not a religious marriage, feel free to hold your religious marriage sacred and feel disdain for those dirty gays who want to use your special word for them loving each other and wanting to spend the rest of their lives together.
For one, It's not just a word. It's a Concept. Why not call a Legal "Marriage" A Civil union so there is no confusion into if it's relgious or not. I mean, if it could have some kind of Relgious connection we wouldn't want the state to have any part in it right? For Two, I don't think Gays are any more dirty then the rest of us sinful human beings. (unless of course they haven't showered.....I don't see a whole lot of Dirty Gays though, They seem pretty clean most of the time. )
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Wow Mike, that document would sorta go against the whole seperation of chuch and state. I didn't have time to read it but is that the part of the constitution they're trying to ammend?
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I couldn't care less what people do behind closed doors.
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I couldn't care less what people do behind closed doors.
Sex is in the bedroom, marriage is throughout society.
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Wow Mike, that document would sorta go against the whole seperation of chuch and state. I didn't have time to read it but is that the part of the constitution they're trying to ammend?
i'm pretty sure it's satire, but ask Kerwin, I'm pretty sure all the bible quotations are correct. Kerwin would probably be ok with this if it were true legislation.
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Old May 21st, 2008, 10:05 AM   #119
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All extremist descrimination aside, the hardest part of approving legal unions between anyone who wants to make one, is those of us who grew up, and are playing by the rules and trying to raise a family with a decent standard of living. Now if you throw all of theses other people in the family discount catagory for health insurance, we can expect to see premiums raise by 25% a year instead of the 12% we currently are getting screwed with.
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OT a bit but I had an uncle that was gay. He moved down to Florida because the area he moved to was more accepting of the lifestyle than Michigan. He was very active in the community and through his church. He maintained a very cool flower garden for many years out of pocket at the church. As he was dying from AIDS the church told him that he needed to ask god for forgiveness for living life as a homosexual. When he refused, they left him and refused to let my grandparents hold his memorial at the church.

I don't know if I have responded in this thread, but I agree with several that say they don't like it, don't care, thinks the government should work on better things than this, and I still believe it boils down to rights. The government should not be the one to dictate what is right or wrong.
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