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Old May 5th, 2008, 10:02 AM   #1
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Thinking of taking a day trip up to Gladwin but I'm curious what the trails are liek since I've never been there. Does anybody have reports from a recent ride up there?
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Quad ride I assume?
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Quad ride I assume?
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Denton creek is nice. We were there a few weeks ago and we had a 4-wheeler with us. Trails are plenty wide enough for a quad, and there are lots of 2-tracks around if you don't like the trail.
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Denton creek is nice. We were there a few weeks ago and we had a 4-wheeler with us. Trails are plenty wide enough for a quad, and there are lots of 2-tracks around if you don't like the trail.
Unless the two tracks are signed with ORV markers of either "trail" or "route" you cannot ride them with anything other than an SOS licensed vehicle:miff:
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Denton creek is nice. We were there a few weeks ago and we had a 4-wheeler with us. Trails are plenty wide enough for a quad, and there are lots of 2-tracks around if you don't like the trail.
Unless the two tracks are signed with ORV markers of either "trail" or "route" you cannot ride them with anything other than an SOS licensed vehicle:miff:

The Gladwin trail has had the north loop closed due to erosion. However it is still a decnt trail. If you get the chance go ride the Tomahawk trail between Wolverine and Indian River.

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7...8330--,00.html

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Well there are lots of nice trails in this state, I just figured since she asked for one by gladwin, Denton creek is close, accesible, and 4-wheeler friendly. My favorite trail is probably Evart, but it is not wide enough for 4-wheelers.
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Well there are lots of nice trails in this state, I just figured since she asked for one by gladwin, Denton creek is close, accesible, and 4-wheeler friendly. My favorite trail is probably Evart, but it is not wide enough for 4-wheelers.

It wasn't that you recomended a trail, that is fine, it was the metion of running two tracks that I took offense too. Not legal to do so with a quad like you suggested.
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Then I appologize, I should have specified it as an ORV route, not 2-tracks.

You will also want to make sure you have a orv sticker and USFS approved spark arrestor to run on these trails.
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If you get the chance go ride the Tomahawk trail between Wolverine and Indian River.
No quads on Tomahawk.

Gladwin sucks unless you like whooped out sandy trails.

Leota (once you go past the sandy, whooped out area is pretty awesome.
Mio is awesome.
The meadows is awesome.

Um, doh, what kind of riding do you like? I listed technical trails that have some spots you can open up on.
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Well there are lots of nice trails in this state, I just figured since she asked for one by gladwin, Denton creek is close, accesible, and 4-wheeler friendly. My favorite trail is probably Evart, but it is not wide enough for 4-wheelers.
Evart is motorcycle-only. Evart is also where the woods racers go to practice and see if they can beat their best lap times. I love Evart, but I'm also scared to death of riding it in the summer (anytime there are a lot of leaves so you can't see around corners).
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No quads on Tomahawk.
I have many friends that have taken quads to Tomahawk, they say its tight but not impassable.

I suggest the Bull Gap system if you want to ride all day.

the Gladwin system is small by compairson.

if you go to the north farther Frederic Loop trail is 29 miles and is very fun,and very tight. my 650 has a couple spots where its "back up and try again"
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Both

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Michigan DNR

list Tomahawk as a motorcycle trail.
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Yeah I've rode a lot of trails up north, but never Gladwin...hence why I asked.
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No quads on Tomahawk.
Probably not what you want to hear, but quads can use Tomahawk, and do all the time. I ride it often with my Grizzly as I can leave from my cottage on county roads and ride to the C loop for a lovely day in the woods. C loop is plenty wide and by law if you can fit down it with your ORV licensed vehicle you can ride it. Even with your Jeep!
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Probably not what you want to hear, but quads can use Tomahawk, and do all the time. I ride it often with my Grizzly as I can leave from my cottage on county roads and ride to the C loop for a lovely day in the woods. C loop is plenty wide and by law if you can fit down it with your ORV licensed vehicle you can ride it. Even with your Jeep!

I don't give a hoot (I have never met a bad quad owner on the trail), however, if the DNR has it listed as a motorcycle trail and you boast about riding a quad on it, or are stupid enough to say a Jeep (that must stick to a ROUTE, because it is wider than 50") can go on it in places where it fits...

--- just how much good do you do for preserving trails in Michigan?

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I don't give a hoot (I have never met a bad quad owner on the trail), however, if the DNR has it listed as a motorcycle trail and you boast about riding a quad on it, or are stupid enough to say a Jeep (that must stick to a ROUTE, because it is wider than 50") can go on it in places where it fits...

--- just how much good do you do for preserving trails in Michigan?

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I have forgotten more than you will probably ever know about the ORV program. Not being a dick about it either, just been at it long enough to know a few things some do not. And yes you can drive down a "50" inch trail with your Jeep according to the way the law is written, so :miff: to you. I am in no way saying I am going to do it or am I saying anyone should, just saying you can.

Know a little about me before accusing me of not "preserving MI trails"

We should get together sometime and ride the Tomahawk, I have a nice place that sleeps quite a few up there and would love to have some other riders to enjoy Wolverine with.

Sorry for the hijack Mudgirl, have fun wherever you go.

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I have forgotten more than you will probably ever know about the ORV program. Not being a dick about it either, just been at it long enough to know a few things some do not. And yes you can drive down a "50" inch trail with your Jeep according to the way the law is written, so :miff: to you. I am in no way saying I am going to do it or am I saying anyone should, just saying you can.

Know a little about me before accusing me of not "preserving MI trails"

We should get together sometime and ride the Tomahawk, I have a nice place that sleeps quite a few up there and would love to have some other riders to enjoy Wolverine with.

Sorry for the hijack Mudgirl, have fun wherever you go.

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Good for you and good for us for your involvement Pat. I apologize for coming across harsh sometimes, I just get so damned tired of the DNR and our apparent inability to get together - there are an approximate 400,000 registered ORVees in the state - you think they would listen to us.

If that is the way the law is written, how come side-by-side orvs over 50" are trying to get the trails widened?
Why does the state of michigan list wolverine and others as "Motorcycle" trails?
Why does the Michigan DNR seem to thrive on misinformation and vague laws?

Thanks for the invite - perhaps next time we go up I can shoot you a pm and we can enjoy some campfire discussions and some beer. Unless you're on a bike, we might not see you for long on the trail.
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Good for you and good for us for your involvement Pat. I apologize for coming across harsh sometimes, I just get so damned tired of the DNR and our apparent inability to get together - there are an approximate 400,000 registered ORVees in the state - you think they would listen to us.

If that is the way the law is written, how come side-by-side orvs over 50" are trying to get the trails widened?
Why does the state of michigan list wolverine and others as "Motorcycle" trails?
Why does the Michigan DNR seem to thrive on misinformation and vague laws?

Thanks for the invite - perhaps next time we go up I can shoot you a pm and we can enjoy some campfire discussions and some beer. Unless you're on a bike, we might not see you for long on the trail.

I thought about the bike/quad thing and came to the same conclusion, we wouldnt see each other for long But I would take you up on the campfire deal any day.

The side by side guys want to widen the trails that are too narrow for them, but if they can fit down them they can ride on them (with an ORV sticker). Tomahawk used to be
24" and then it got wider as more quads started using it, the same might happen if more over 50" machines start riding it. I personally believe in a multi use trail system. Without it you have to give each individual machine type an equal share of the money and miles.

And to be honest with you, the CCC listed trails as "motorcycle only"
When the ORV program first got off the ground the mapping and most of the policy's were developed by the CCC. But back then the 2 wheelers were just about all there was for ORV's. And to be fair the CCC member clubs and long time 2 wheel riders built and or groomed those trails for years.

With changing times however, there needs to be some sort of balance found in ORV monies that get spent on the ground.

And I wish I had an answer for why Michigans DNR seems to thrive on their inability to make clear and concise laws, even their own officers have a hard time interpreting them.

I attended a land use conference in the UP a few years back. A few of us GLFWDA members went out to dinner with DNR employees from a couple other surrounding states and invited a couple of our own DNR folks. Our DNR declined and ended up at the same resturant as us, as we were seated our DNR employees got up and moved further away to another table. This started and interesting conversation about the MI DNR amongst our table.

It was amusing to say the least at what other departments from other states think about Michigans DNR. Needless to say our DNR is not thought of to highly amongst their peers.
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Interesting info - this will make conflicts pop up for sure.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/dn...N_232186_7.pdf
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