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Old May 4th, 2008, 04:38 PM   #1
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Any one every heard or thought of widening a front toyota 8in axle. I want somthing wider for the front of my truck (85 toyota truck) but dont really want to go to 1tons cuz of how much axle clearance i lose.

Running long fields is almost as strong as a dana60 if not the same, only thing is just the smaller ring gear. So strenght would be there.

So my ? is, is there any way to retube a toyota axle. I was thinking that you could cut the housing so that it is just the center section left, then put sleeves in the what left of the tube and then just make longer tubes and slide the 2 together and put the toyota knuckles back on the end. Then just have shafts made.

Yea i have looked at diamond housings but dont really want to spend that much money for just a housing. Or if that is even wide enough for want i want. Want almost full width axles.

Figured id throw this out there as a idea. Probley end up having to do a diamond housing but like to have more then one opinion
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Old May 4th, 2008, 07:17 PM   #2
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well how much wider do you want to go? have you though of just going with spacers and or different backspacing on your wheels?
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Old May 4th, 2008, 08:06 PM   #3
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I seen this on Pirate I believe. Trying to find it for you.
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Old May 4th, 2008, 08:10 PM   #4
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I have 2in spacers right now in the front. Idk on exact width just lookin to make it alittle more stable. Not so tall and skinny lookin.

Yea havnt really had a chance to try and look it up on there yet. Thought there might be somthing bout this on there. If you can find it that be sweet.
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Having trouble finding it, but I seen a topic where a guy who cut the welds on the axle where the knuckle or whatever is welded on the end of the axle. He turned the inside of the axle out to fit a 3 inch spacer on each side, welded those in, had some custom shafts made..
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This is the thread he was looking for.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...t=axle+housing

If you go to the azrockcrawler site, there is more detail there in their tech section.

I like my front, its 6" wider than stock, without any spacers. So, thats 62.1" WMS-WMS. 4" longer on the short side, 2" longer on the long side.

II believe I just popped a 30 spliner this weekend, but, well, I deserved it. 38.5s, 60:1 gear, fronts wedged in a big crack, 4000 rpm clutch dumps. Something had to give. I haven't pulled it apart, but think its the guts of the birf, the way its popping. I have long's chromo hub gears and FROR/ARP hub studs as well.
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Actually, theres another thread where the guy just added onto the stock tubes, instead of replacing the whole tube. I still cant find it though.

I'll admit replacing the whole tube would probably be a LOT easier than fitting extensions though.
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Old May 4th, 2008, 08:50 PM   #8
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Actually, theres another thread where the guy just added onto the stock tubes, instead of replacing the whole tube. I still cant find it though.

I'll admit replacing the whole tube would probably be a LOT easier than fitting extensions though.

Yeah, but then you still have to shave and armor the center, and the flange still sometimes have the 3rd member studs pull out.
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Old May 4th, 2008, 09:01 PM   #9
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This is the thread he was looking for.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...t=axle+housing

If you go to the azrockcrawler site, there is more detail there in their tech section.

I like my front, its 6" wider than stock, without any spacers. So, thats 62.1" WMS-WMS. 4" longer on the short side, 2" longer on the long side.

II believe I just popped a 30 spliner this weekend, but, well, I deserved it. 38.5s, 60:1 gear, fronts wedged in a big crack, 4000 rpm clutch dumps. Something had to give. I haven't pulled it apart, but think its the guts of the birf, the way its popping. I have long's chromo hub gears and FROR/ARP hub studs as well.
That link is pretty sweet. Ill probly end up going with a diamond housing. That way i dont end up messing up a housing. But it would be sweet to have retubed toy axles. What to do

Yea went on pirate right after my early post and got a little side tracked:miff:. Forgot i went there to look up the axle stuff till i came back and seen this

Yea curious on what you broke. I want to try and build mine as strong as possible since i have over 400hp and plan on getting either 40's or 42's. Dont really do any rocks, mostly just mud, some trails, and the dunes so it doest see to much hard core stuff but i do have a heavy foot at times
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I want to try and build mine as strong as possible since i have over 400hp and plan on getting either 40's or 42's.
You should probably not build a toyota axle then. You will just be throwing $$$ away. They hold up well, but they will not hold up in that situation, unless your rig weighs 2000lbs.
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Now this has got me thinking.

Go for the altamit all toyota axles
Front
t100/tundra center section, tubed to match a t100/tundra width rear end with toyota knuckles, trusses on both sides, diff armor, inspection hole, larger 3rd member studs, chromo shafts & longfields, chromo hub gears and ARP hub studs, high pinion 5.29's and locker
Maybe a tacoma center so you can use a elocker either way it'd be sweet

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T100/tundra rear housing, trussed, diff armor, inspection hole, full floating conversion with disk, 5.29's and locker


If i had money lying around thats what id do
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You should probably not build a toyota axle then. You will just be throwing $$$ away. They hold up well, but they will not hold up in that situation, unless your rig weighs 2000lbs.
Yea thats why im thinking 1tons but like i said it just kills me losing all that clearance. Id have to shave em etc etc.

All up in the air right now
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Draging some diffs is certainly better then fixing broken axles on the trail.

I have pushed my toyota axles retarded hard and they have held up. My rig is only a 4 cyl and about 3000lbs. I won't be spending anymore money on toyota axles in my rig even though they have held. I am probably going to build a 609 front and 9" rear. No sense in spending big $$$ on something that is still not completely bullet proof.
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you may lose some clearance but you'll hav ethe strength to get bigger tires with out worries. Also the time and hassle it would save you would be worth it in my book
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I like mine and will be keeping them. For what I do, I'll probably drop back to 37s and be around 3000 lbs. This breakage was simply that it was saturday afternoon after a good weekend of wheeling, and we were trying to break stuff.

Going to 38.5s has taken a bit of fun out of things, not enough challenge. So going to 37s should be more fun, and easier on the parts.
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