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Old April 29th, 2008, 02:10 PM   #41
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just because the statistics make it low doesn't make it a myth.
so we're both "wrong"...

It's not a myth, but it's also not in any way relevant.
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Old April 29th, 2008, 02:11 PM   #42
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so we're both "wrong"...

It's not a myth, but it's also not in any way relevant.
its a stupid waste of time to do so too often is all.
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its a stupid waste of time to do so too often is all.
agreed.

It just would be a shame to have a bunch of gl4x4'ers going out there and warning their families and friends that defragmenting their hard drives more than once a day will make their hard drive melt or something. I was making the point to try to dispel such rumors.
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agreed.

It just would be a shame to have a bunch of gl4x4'ers going out there and warning their families and friends that defragmenting their hard drives more than once a day will make their hard drive melt or something. I was making the point to try to dispel such rumors.
its not so much that that bothers me as much as everybody and their brother always jumping on the bandwagon that a persons HD is fragmented which is why its slow.

for christs sake my machine takes 10 minutes to completely bootup. and I know what everything is and still shit in there. Mainly cuz once booted its fine and its crap I like running.
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Defrag.............


I've been using linux exclusively for 5 years, in the last year I had to get Windows again for some courses I was taking.... wife took over that laptop when I was done. A couple months go by and she complains that the laptop won't start. I use the safe mode to see what's up, delete a bunch of useless crap she downloaded (who really NEEDS 5000 different mouse pointers?) and got it to boot up normally.... ran defrag and found the drive to be 40% fragmented.... I didn't even think that was possible! Took 2 days to completely defrag a 120 gig drive.


Meanwhile, the only time my linux boxes quit working is when I screw around rebuilding the kernel for fun.... (oops, removed x window support! Back to the command line....)
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Defrag.............


I've been using linux exclusively for 5 years, in the last year I had to get Windows again for some courses I was taking.... wife took over that laptop when I was done. A couple months go by and she complains that the laptop won't start. I use the safe mode to see what's up, delete a bunch of useless crap she downloaded (who really NEEDS 5000 different mouse pointers?) and got it to boot up normally.... ran defrag and found the drive to be 40% fragmented.... I didn't even think that was possible! Took 2 days to completely defrag a 120 gig drive.


Meanwhile, the only time my linux boxes quit working is when I screw around rebuilding the kernel for fun.... (oops, removed x window support! Back to the command line....)
meh, screwing around recompiling the kernels is usually only of use when you need an updated driver, driver that isn't compiled in already, or you want to apply patches. I used to run Andrew Morton's patch sets or Con Kolivas's patch sets, but gave up once the interactivity patches got moved into the mainline kernel. Linus f'ed up a lot of stuff with this new development model, you have to take a lot of care to select the right patches to actually stabilize a vanilla kernel.
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meh, screwing around recompiling the kernels is usually only of use when you need an updated driver, driver that isn't compiled in already, or you want to apply patches. I used to run Andrew Morton's patch sets or Con Kolivas's patch sets, but gave up once the interactivity patches got moved into the mainline kernel.
Agreed. Sometimes I play around with the kernel, taking stuff out that I don't need, like PCMCIA support on the desktop tower.


Pared the kernel down to where it would boot into a GUI (TWM) in under 5 seconds for a class project. Wasn't very useful, but learned a lot about how an OS works.
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Agreed. Sometimes I play around with the kernel, taking stuff out that I don't need, like PCMCIA support on the desktop tower.


Pared the kernel down to where it would boot into a GUI (TWM) in under 5 seconds for a class project. Wasn't very useful, but learned a lot about how an OS works.
most distros make everything that's not strictly necessary modular, so taking stuff out isn't really that helpful - you can do the same thing by blacklisting certain drivers :)
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most distros make everything that's not strictly necessary modular, so taking stuff out isn't really that helpful - you can do the same thing by blacklisting certain drivers :)
Yeah, that's much easier.
Most of the stuff I did was on CentOS 3, for a sysadmin class. We had to do everything on the command line, except in the last class when we learned GUI. Fascinating how much a GUI slows down a system.

hdparm is a neat tool, once you get over the fear of hosing the system.

Lately though, I just grab an install disk and see if it will find all the drivers by itself. We were taught "linux is linux" but it's funny how some distros will run right out of the box and others need hours spent installing drivers. I'm using PCLinux 2007 on this box, but it's going the get Ubuntu soon.
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so, from what I have read in this thread, let me try to sort it out for those of us less computer literate people.
Lothos the Pirate is basically saying that if drive A were constantly de-fragging, the of drive A would be less than the life of drive B, which is just given normal usage.

Schweeb the nerd is saying that if Drive A is defragged, even daily, it will not make a functional difference in its life over drive B.

Did i get it?
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so, from what I have read in this thread, let me try to sort it out for those of us less computer literate people.
Lothos the Pirate is basically saying that if drive A were constantly de-fragging, the of drive A would be less than the life of drive B, which is just given normal usage.

Schweeb the nerd is saying that if Drive A is defragged, even daily, it will not make a functional difference in its life over drive B.

Did i get it?
basically. There will be a difference in the very long term, but it's negligible
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so, from what I have read in this thread, let me try to sort it out for those of us less computer literate people.
Lothos the Pirate is basically saying that if drive A were constantly de-fragging, the of drive A would be less than the life of drive B, which is just given normal usage.

Schweeb the nerd is saying that if Drive A is defragged, even daily, it will not make a functional difference in its life over drive B.

Did i get it?
Pretty much, and I think they are both saying that the lifespan of a drive is so long that it really doesn't matter....
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start-run->regedit

look under hkey-current-user and hkey-local-machine You'll have a folder path software/microsoft/windows/currentversion/run and that will have all the crap you have launching on bootup.

another place is your control panel adminsitrator tools services for more things running.
Ok, so I go under hkey-local-machine>yadda>yadda>run, and that is what runs on startup? I think I have a bunch of useless crap in there.

Can I just make it, not there? Or would that break stuff?
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STOP!!!!!


I would do some google research before messing with the registry, I have more windows bricks given to me because of registry fiddling.
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Old April 29th, 2008, 10:23 PM   #59
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Ok, so I go under hkey-local-machine>yadda>yadda>run, and that is what runs on startup? I think I have a bunch of useless crap in there.

Can I just make it, not there? Or would that break stuff?

You are way safer doing this: Start--> RUN --> MSCONFIG.exe

Go to the startup tab and turn off things you don't recognize, or search Google for the functions of the individual .exe files.
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bah, how is anyone going to learn if they don't fukc with the registry?
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