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Old April 27th, 2008, 03:48 PM   #61
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I agree with you on this one Sova. I have also had this theory for a long time. The only "unnatural" thing in this thread is commitment. We are animals, most animals (save morning doves and ducks and maybe a couple others) do not take a mate for life. Somehow our social network has established commitment as the norm. Mind you, I think this is good, children need 2 parents, people need love, etc - but it is not natural. What IS natural is looking back at the mall at that sweet pair of legs or some excellent childbearing hips. When my male buddies and I have talked about this, it appears to be an undeniable truth. Everyone looks, but it doesnt mean that you dont love and want to be with your spouse, its just human nature in its most basic form.
Heck I'll even admit it's natural. Me and my buddies admit that all the time. Woman are one of God's Greatest Creations. But like I said before. Its what is done with that thought/erge/whatever after you've noticed the beauty. If you dwell on it for the whole day, In the Christian Opinion, it's lustful thinking and commiting adultury. Also, like I said before that line between admiring and having lustful thoughts is very thin and different for ever guy. We all know our limits, Some of us just don't have the self Control to stay on the right side of the line.

What I'm saying is that having this huge archive of porn at our finger tips doesn't make it any eaiser to not become addicted. Most guys get hooked in thier early teens. They aren't exactly responsible for thier action at that age. Parents can use software programs to ban websites but there is always a way around it. Especially with the Fact that most of the earlier generation knows more about computers than the older. I taught my parents how to use most of the computer programs they use. They were some what Clueless when we got our first computer.

And it may be natural, but there are also many other natural drives that we surpress. People don't murder people just because they have that erge. That's what makes us different from Animals. We have a Society and we have complex thoughts. And then you have to think why ducks and such have one mate? Why can't humans be the same way? If we go back to just acting on natural Impules we are taking steps back in the progress of man kind and reverting to being simple animals. How is that good for the Species?

On a nother note, I do not mind seeing a nice set of Child bearing hips, they are very attractive to me. Fortunatly, my wife has them....
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Old April 27th, 2008, 05:19 PM   #62
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i met the guy with the black hair and ear gauges, hes actually pretty cool to talk to, good debate.
the guy from xxxchurch? he lives in GR

have you seen the FJ he drives? the pornmobile!

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1. The only "unnatural" thing in this thread is commitment. We are animals, most

2.Everyone looks, but it doesnt mean that you dont love and want to be with your spouse, its just human nature in its most basic form.
1. I don't see why you think commitment is unnatural. If men did not have a sex drive and hunt desire, then the human race would not exist. It is a "necessary evil" (I don't think it is actually evil, but using that phrase because its the best I could think of). I find committment to be something challenging to uphold, but NOT unnatural. I think mankind is made for connection, for community, and for committment.

2. Agreed, everyone looks, but like it was said, what do you do with that you notice. Personally if I notice more than I should, I look away. If I noticed more than I should and my mind wanders, I repent. Each time. My wife is the only female body I wish to adore, and if I hunger for some lovin, I can put the theatre of my mind on my wife until we are together. In terms of human nature and basic needs, do you suppose porn is a natural basic need?
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Personally if I notice more than I should, I look away. If I noticed more than I should and my mind wanders, I repent. Each time.
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Yeah, Its like he actually practices his beliefs. Not to mention pure commitment to his Wife, I mean who wants that?. And man, Integrity is just soooo a thing of the past. Would you want someone checking out your girlfriend and thinking about doing things to her in thier head?
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Yeah, Its like he actually practices his beliefs. Not to mention pure commitment to his Wife, I mean who wants that?. And man, Integrity is just soooo a thing of the past. Would you want someone checking out your girlfriend and thinking about doing things to her in thier head?
Doesnt bother me at all. My woman is hot. You can dream, but unless you are a better man than I am, you will never have her.
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Doesnt bother me at all. My woman is hot. You can dream, but unless you are a better man than I am, you will never have her.
Can you post a pic of her....so that we may dream.
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I don't know if we've ever met, but I find it interesting that you seem to know whats going on inside my brain. You assume that just because porn ruined your image of women that it has that effect on everyone. I would appreciate it if you would refrain from projecting your weakness on me.

I did find a real girl, married her, and had every intention of staying true to her for the rest of my life. She had other ideas and left me for another man. Unlike, apparently, you, I never viewed porn while I was married. Who knows, maybe if I had taken Ron Jeremy's advise and used porn to "spice it up" I'd still be married.

I see porn and being just like any other "vise" like drinking, smoking, gambling, offroading... If you do it because you enjoy it, as a diversion to you daily life, as a temporary escape from your every day existence, in such a way that it is not harming anyone then it's fine.

If it takes control of you life to the point where it harms other aspects of you life, to where it harms you relationships, become an obsession that you feel you have no control of, something you can't stop using, then it is a problem.
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I don't doubt that for at least some people it "warps their brain", but I don't know that it does for everyone. Also, as the lady in the weird hat suggested, is it really all that different than any other fiction in that respect? Doesn't all fiction give some people unrealistic expectations as to how life is supposed to be? For that matter even some of these so called "reality" shows make some people think that their lives are dull and boring. I think that someone who's susceptible to that is going to have that problem with any type of fiction.

I wouldn't blame you at all for feeling hurt if your husband was sneaking around and viewing porn every chance he got. But as was suggested in the video, it's would probably be just one sign of bigger problems in your relationship. I can't image ever choosing porn over the real thing.

Women who are in other businesses get raped,hurt, and can't have children. The people who do that type of thing are criminals. Seeing a drunk porn star in a bar may give them the idea to do it then, but that type of person would probably find any excuse to rape someone. i don't know how significant it was that she was a porn star.

As to how a porn star can have a normal intimate relationship with a significant other after having sex with other people all day I to wonder about that, but then again normal actors kiss and play "husband and wife" in non-sexual ways on the set and then go home to their spouses, maybe it's the same, just more extreme. If they say they can do it and it isn't a problem who ma I to question that.
And to add to that thought, I would go so far as to say that I don't think that it's the porn that warps the brain, I think the warped brain is more pleased by warped porn than a normal brain. Lord knows I've seen some pretty warped stuff and I can't stand to watch it. I've seen A LOT of porn of many types, and I remain pretty mainstream in my likes and dislikes, and as a lover am still considered to be generous and repsectful. I'm sure that's tru for many people.
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Yeah, Its like he actually practices his beliefs. Not to mention pure commitment to his Wife, I mean who wants that?. And man, Integrity is just soooo a thing of the past. Would you want someone checking out your girlfriend and thinking about doing things to her in thier head?
I'm sure it happens ...who cares what is going on in the head of someone else that has no effect on you? Let's just say, if you knew that someone was thinking impure thoughts about your wife, you would be upset? weird. you should join the real world.
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Did you find that every time you touched her she magically moved toward orgasm with increasing measure, every time? Yes.So did you find that your wife secretly desired sex with another woman, then she went for it? Yes, but only once, with a girl she worked with. They ended up not actually doing it though, but just talking about what a great husband I was for being understanding and giving her the space to discover herself. Then, see below....Did you find that she also wanted your friend to jump in the sack with the both of you for double duty? No, I got to have a 3 way with her and the friend mentioned above.Or did she want to blindfold her son and have sex with him mysteriously? No. But she did like to work on me while I was sleeping...Or maybe pull the family pet in bed for some extra fun? Nope. Unlike the weak minds that you seem to think everyone is without religion, she had no interest in that, so seeing it in a porno didn't suddenly make her want to. See, believe it or not, not everyone are Did you discover any of THIS as a woman's actual sexual desires and sexual needs? Yep.No? I wonder why.

Or maybe you were frustrated when the pizza delivery girl didnt talk about how nice your package looked in your pants, then out of no where jump your bones, in some crazy out of this world way. Huh?

The point is this, if you use PORN as a measuring rod for reality, then you are so far gone it is not funny. I never said I use it as a measuring rod for reality. You keep putting words in people's mouths. Why is that? Are you putting your thoughts and fears in to other people? Maybe this could have been your problem, so you are transferring it to us as a way of communicating your fears and such?You and I both know well that porn is the LEAST realistic measure of sex. Actually, there is a great deal of real-life porn out there. Made by normal everyday peoople like you and me to share with other normal everyday people like you and me (they're called swingers).

I am with L4CX on the try it out on your own thing. I have found that TALKING about sexual desires with my wife produces all the TRUE needs that either of us has, not some bastardized sexual deception in a porno.
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OH, and I've never paid for it. I, too, always just look at the "samples".
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I watch a porno, I take in the information I've read, I form an opinion. It's called learning. Even you, the almighy, free-thinking, sova should understand that.
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Next we should talk about how evil masturbation, sex before marriage, and contraceptives are.

The only thing that ruins marriages is the wrong people getting married in the first place. If people just fricken got to know each other for more than a year or two, or GASP, talked to one another; all this would be on the table in the first place.

On the "I'm not good enough" thing... I guarantee there are doods out there married to gorgeous, intelligent woman that are absolute tigers in the sack... and they still look at porn, look at other chicks at the grocery store, etc...

If we didn't do those things, we would be chicks, and that makes our wifes or girlfriends lesbians. Since everyone know that God hates homos, there you are sinning again.
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And it may be natural, but there are also many other natural drives that we surpress. People don't murder people just because they have that erge. It amazes me that we're not all killling each other, what with all the killing on the teevee.... Being that noone of us can control our own actions and all.... I should wear a foil helmet to keep the thought rays out.....That's what makes us different from Animals. We have a Society and we have complex thoughts. And then you have to think why ducks and such have one mate? Why can't humans be the same way? If we go back to just acting on natural Impules we are taking steps back in the progress of man kind and reverting to being simple animals. That's an odd remark for a uy that doesn't believe in evolution..... So are you saying that Adam and Eve were animals???How is that good for the Species?

On a nother note, I do not mind seeing a nice set of Child bearing hips, they are very attractive to me. Fortunatly, my wife has them....
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Yeah, Its like he actually practices his beliefs. Not to mention pure commitment to his Wife, I mean who wants that?. And man, Integrity is just soooo a thing of the past. Would you want someone checking out your girlfriend and thinking about doing things to her in thier head?
My wife is hot. Guys want her all the time. The reality of marrying a hot woman. I deal with it.

I am faithful to my wife and would never cheat on her, yet I live this way WITH looking at other women, watching porn, and WITHOUT RELIGION.... Now how is that possible....? Maybe I THINK FOR MYSELF. Imagine that. What a novel concept.
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If you go back to the book of Genesis you'll read that God created them male and female and told them to be fruitful and multiply. God is the one who invented sex, it was His idea, making us different and compatible in intimacy. Man has so perverted His original idea of one man, one woman for life, that some people are shocked when reminded that He created sex. IT HAS BEEN PERVERTED from what HE would have it to be. Porn has magnified the perversion. Do you seriously think that in a perfect world porn would be so prevalent?
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My wife is hot. Guys want her all the time. The reality of marrying a hot woman. I deal with it.

I am faithful to my wife and would never cheat on her, yet I live this way WITH looking at other women, watching porn, and WITHOUT RELIGION.... Now how is that possible....? Maybe I THINK FOR MYSELF. Imagine that. What a novel concept.
Are you implying that Christians are mindless robots? Ignorant? Stupid?
Might I remind you that some of the greatest minds have become Christians because they sorted through the evidence and thought for themselves in spite of the opposition that would have them go the way of the world?
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Are you implying that Christians are mindless robots? Ignorant? Stupid?
Might I remind you that some of the greatest minds have become Christians because they sorted through the evidence and thought for themselves in spite of the opposition that would have them go the way of the world?
I don't want to speak for AGoodBuzz, but I don't think ALL Christians are mindless robots, just the ones who believe a literal interpretation of the bible and believe that is the only thing that matters. I can dig the "liberal Christians" (I mean liberal with religion, not politics) who can accept evolution, follow the good things in the bible and realize that it isn't a perfect book and throw away the stupid things (not eating shrimp, stoning their children, killing gays..etc.) and who aren't trying to legislate their religion for everyone. I still think it's silly to believe something for which there is no evidence whatsoever...but to each his own. Mr. Toes, before you say something about how there is no evidence for evolution, stop and google search "evidence for evolution".
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