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Old April 26th, 2008, 12:19 AM   #41
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Next we should talk about how evil masturbation, sex before marriage, and contraceptives are.

The only thing that ruins marriages is the wrong people getting married in the first place. If people just fricken got to know each other for more than a year or two, or GASP, talked to one another; all this would be on the table in the first place.

On the "I'm not good enough" thing... I guarantee there are doods out there married to gorgeous, intelligent woman that are absolute tigers in the sack... and they still look at porn, look at other chicks at the grocery store, etc...

If we didn't do those things, we would be chicks, and that makes our wifes or girlfriends lesbians. Since everyone know that God hates homos, there you are sinning again.
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Old April 26th, 2008, 12:47 AM   #42
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I just read the entire thread, and all I have to say is this: Im off to find a video of someone shitting on an asian girls face.
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Old April 26th, 2008, 02:12 AM   #43
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Hey, I'm sorry if by me saying "you" it was thought I was talking to you Specifically. I have a Bad habit of using that word. I meant in general as a You. I've never met you, I don't have anything against you.

I also agree with you that it's like any other Vice. My point is that there is no actual barrier between getting a hold of it. It's litteraly a Keystroke away. With Beer, Cigarettes, ETC. there is an age limit or you have to go out and get it. With porn, it's right there. No age limits (in reality). Before the internet it was just like any other vice. You had to either sneak it from your parents or find some kind of way to have your older brother's friend buy it for you. Something like that.

The only difference is that it's Sex. All humans beings are driven by it. When boys hit puberty it's all they think of and consequently don't stop intill they die. There is nothing else like it on the planet. So in that instance, it's nothing like any other vice.

Ok, and as far as the "weakness" goes. I'll give you that. It is one of my great Weaknesses. But even if it's not one of yours, It is a serious problem with a high percentage of Men. Maybe it's because I'm a Christian and it's wrong to look at porn from my world view. Literially any time I've been in a Group of men having "Sharing time" about struggles this one comes up. Almost every guy lowers his head and shamfully agrees that they struggle with it. So needless to say, I'm 1 of many.

What has been proven in this statement is that porn does this. Go read some info on XXXchurch and you'll see that statistically this is what happens to young men. They start out of Curiosity and eventually become addicted. After a while the normal Soft core stuff doesn't do it so they move on to something more harder/preverse and then that get's old...yatta yatta yatta...you end up with these (now) men wanting to act out these horribly preverse acts on actual women because watching it doesn't do it for them any more. In an idealistic world, they should be able to control thier impulses but this thing has become to much for them to handle. It happens to sooo many men/boys.
I actually did think that you were using the word "you" in a general sense and not attacking my specifically, but I decided to take advantage of your choice of wording to make my point that I don't think I fit your generality.

As far as protecting children from in on the internet I believe that there are numerous filtering and "net-nanny" type of programs to prevent access to things that are inappropriate for young children. I do not know how well they work because I have never needed to use them but they are out there.

I'll have to admit the I probably am not typical when it comes to porn, it's not the first time I've deviated from bring the "typical male". My typical porn viewing would be watching the 60 second "freebie" sample while taking care of the matter at hand and then not thinking about porn again until the biological backpressure built up again and I felt the need to reach for that manual relief valve again. (all puns intended). I have never paid for internet porn.

I have to admit that I never realized that so many people have a problem with abusing it the way they seems to. I'm starting to wonder which type of person is more typical, me, or those people that let it take over their lives. I'll have to check out some of those studies that they site in that debate.
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Old April 26th, 2008, 09:44 AM   #44
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3. Wait, you think porno is real enough that you want it to happen in real life? I never said that either. You did. Some of things I saw intrigued me, and I learned that many women IN REALITY like the same things. I never would have believed that had I not finally inquired about it to women after seeing it ACTED OUT.Perhaps three played into two. Huh?!?!Fantasy is not healthy when you want it to be your reality. I think I know what you're trying to say there, but taken from the other point of view, everybody has dreams (yes, even you), and some people achieve them. That's not always good because some dreams involve harming others, but if all parties involved agree and are happy with the arrangement, what is wrong with making your dreams a reality?
Did you find that every time you touched her she magically moved toward orgasm with increasing measure, every time? So did you find that your wife secretly desired sex with another woman, then she went for it? Did you find that she also wanted your friend to jump in the sack with the both of you for double duty? Or did she want to blindfold her son and have sex with him mysteriously? Or maybe pull the family pet in bed for some extra fun? Did you discover any of THIS as a woman's actual sexual desires and sexual needs? No? I wonder why.

Or maybe you were frustrated when the pizza delivery girl didnt talk about how nice your package looked in your pants, then out of no where jump your bones, in some crazy out of this world way.

The point is this, if you use PORN as a measuring rod for reality, then you are so far gone it is not funny. You and I both know well that porn is the LEAST realistic measure of sex.

I am with L4CX on the try it out on your own thing. I have found that TALKING about sexual desires with my wife produces all the TRUE needs that either of us has, not some bastardized sexual deception in a porno.
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1. Next we should talk about how evil masturbation, sex before marriage, and contraceptives are.

2. The only thing that ruins marriages is the wrong people getting married in the first place. If people just fricken got to know each other for more than a year or two, or GASP, talked to one another; all this would be on the table in the first place.

3. On the "I'm not good enough" thing... I guarantee there are doods out there married to gorgeous, intelligent woman that are absolute tigers in the sack... and they still look at porn, look at other chicks at the grocery store, etc...

4. If we didn't do those things, we would be chicks..
1. Sure, if you want, start a thread.

2. It is not as simple as that, the wright people are capable of doing wrong things. We both know this is true.

3. Yeah, but what point does that illustration ultimatley prove?

4. So what makes us men is out desire for sex, and to find this desire in multiple women? Can you clarify on that?
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I actually did think that you were using the word "you" in a general sense and not attacking my specifically, but I decided to take advantage of your choice of wording to make my point that I don't think I fit your generality.

As far as protecting children from in on the internet I believe that there are numerous filtering and "net-nanny" type of programs to prevent access to things that are inappropriate for young children. I do not know how well they work because I have never needed to use them but they are out there.

I'll have to admit the I probably am not typical when it comes to porn, it's not the first time I've deviated from bring the "typical male". My typical porn viewing would be watching the 60 second "freebie" sample while taking care of the matter at hand and then not thinking about porn again until the biological backpressure built up again and I felt the need to reach for that manual relief valve again. (all puns intended). I have never paid for internet porn.

I have to admit that I never realized that so many people have a problem with abusing it the way they seems to. I'm starting to wonder which type of person is more typical, me, or those people that let it take over their lives. I'll have to check out some of those studies that they site in that debate.
I would think that most men would use porn in the same manor you do. As a Relief. The problem with that is that Christian Men aren't supposed to do that. It's adultery. That's why it's considered a Struggle for so many Christian Men/boys. Now, I realize that most guys on this site are not believers, so they don't share the same thoughts on the subject. I think that's were the argument comes from. However, from the research that's been done by groups like XXXchurch it's shown that porn can, and usualy does, have an advert effect on people. But what vice doesn't right?

OH, and I've never paid for it. I, too, always just look at the "samples".
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Old April 26th, 2008, 05:20 PM   #47
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I would think that most men would use porn in the same manor you do. As a Relief. The problem with that is that Christian Men aren't supposed to do that.
it says in the bible that you can't jerk off to cave paintings of other women?


Oh you call it adultery. so this is YOUR interpretation. pff. I'm so glad that I don't fall for this shit.
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Old April 26th, 2008, 05:41 PM   #48
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it says in the bible that you can't jerk off to cave paintings of other women?


Oh you call it adultery. so this is YOUR interpretation. pff. I'm so glad that I don't fall for this shit.

Actually it does. Even better yet, Jesus Said it. Matthew 5:28

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Now, if you can interpret that in a way that is something other then what I have, Fine. I'd think you would have to go pretty far to get that interpretation. But I won't be Surprised if you can.....

Then Paul says this in 1 Corinthians 6:12-17

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^^^This is why it's so wrong for the Multiple thousands of Christian Men to get caught up in Pornography.
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Old April 26th, 2008, 05:54 PM   #49
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gotta love Christian Thought Crime. Maybe that will be a new tv show. CTCU:Kentucky. haha. I had better think more about this. could be a good parody. The theme song WILL be by the Who.
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gotta love Christian Thought Crime. Maybe that will be a new tv show. CTCU:Kentucky. haha. I had better think more about this. could be a good parody. The theme song WILL be by the Who.
Yeah, mike, we get it. You think that all christians are zombies and follow exactly what is hand fed to us by our pastors. You've beat it to death. It gets pretty old after the first 30/40 times.:tonka:

I read a Book, I take in the information I've read, I form an opinion. It's called learning. Even you, the almighy, free-thinking, sova should understand that.
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so you don't believe everything in the bible?
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Old April 26th, 2008, 06:17 PM   #52
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i met the guy with the black hair and ear gauges, hes actually pretty cool to talk to, good debate.
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I do believe ever thing in the bible. However, I don't read it with out knowing the context of the passages. I think there was a thread about this before....How bout you bring that back up? I'm almost positive if you look hard enough there is one probably specifically for the interpretation of the bible.
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I do believe ever thing in the bible. However, I don't read it with out knowing the context of the passages. I think there was a thread about this before....How bout you bring that back up? I'm almost positive if you look hard enough there is one probably specifically for the interpretation of the bible.
nah I'm good. I just am glad that I wasn't indoctrinated to believe this hogwash. You don't like the thought crime show? hmm. back on subject, do you repent every time you check out a woman?
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I just wonder because I have a theory. I am constantly checking out other women and I happier than ever with my girlfriend. I'm not actually trying to get with any others girls, because I love my girlfriend, but I think that deep down, we (humans) are kind of like ...hmm...animals, who have instincts. Often in nature, the male instinct is to mate with many females to ensure the survival of his genes. I think we have the same thing, hence, constantly checking out other girls. But, I do have a mind, and I understand if I acted on those feelings I would be breaking a specific human social contract. Anyway, it would get really old if I had to ask for forgiveness everytime I looked back at the mall at that sweet pair of legs or some excellent childbearing hips.
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Actually, go for the TV show. We'll see how well it goes. Make sure the Captain either has sunglasses on all the time or is extremely whity. Oh, and don't forget about the special relationship that two of the detectives have. Usually ends up in a Episode that envolves office Sex. Then the next episode the boss finds the tape of them and it gets hairy for a while and everybody gives them funny looks....Go for it.

When I check out a Woman? No. When I lust after a Wonan? yes. It's all about what you do with the image of that woman in your mind.
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From my point of view there is nothing wrong with porn. So long as the people involved with it are doing it of there own feel will.

It can be "addictive" as much as anything else that makes you feel good, like food for some people. IMO addiction is an over used word today, it really is about self control. Some people have very little and society calls them addicts. I don't, I call them weak.

You can get carried away watching porn just like some people get carried away with eating chocolate cake. It makes you feel good and you want more, that's a normal human experience. A well adjusted person isn't going to get "addicted" to anything like porn or chocolate cake.

My wife and I like to watch porn now and then, but I don't spend my every spare moment searching for it on the internet. Although there was a time, when I was single, that I spent some time doing that. I did get carried away and I was smart enough to realize it was time to stop. Now it's a once in awhile thing. You can't live in fantasy world all the time, real life is much better.

Watching it never made her feel like she wasn't good enough for me or me for her. We realize that it's fantasy. Any man or woman who feels threatened by their s.o. watching porn has some self esteem/insecurity isssues if you ask me.

Also, I agree that it is progressive, you want to see more, something you haven't seen before. This tends to lead to harder core stuff. Again, you need a bit of self control.

Having said that, I never had any urge to act out what I saw. It is fantasy after all, things you'd never actually do in real life. I never thought that is the way the real world works. If you think that you have a problem, really, get help.

If you have children and you don't protect them from your porn stash, your a bad parent. Have some responsibility. Do you leave your guns laying around too? Some people probably do. :miff:
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I just wonder because I have a theory. I am constantly checking out other women and I happier than ever with my girlfriend. I'm not actually trying to get with any others girls, because I love my girlfriend, but I think that deep down, we (humans) are kind of like ...hmm...animals, who have instincts. Often in nature, the male instinct is to mate with many females to ensure the survival of his genes. I think we have the same thing, hence, constantly checking out other girls. But, I do have a mind, and I understand if I acted on those feelings I would be breaking a specific human social contract. Anyway, it would get really old if I had to ask for forgiveness everytime I looked back at the mall at that sweet pair of legs or some excellent childbearing hips.
I agree with you on this one Sova. I have also had this theory for a long time. The only "unnatural" thing in this thread is commitment. We are animals, most animals (save morning doves and ducks and maybe a couple others) do not take a mate for life. Somehow our social network has established commitment as the norm. Mind you, I think this is good, children need 2 parents, people need love, etc - but it is not natural. What IS natural is looking back at the mall at that sweet pair of legs or some excellent childbearing hips. When my male buddies and I have talked about this, it appears to be an undeniable truth. Everyone looks, but it doesnt mean that you dont love and want to be with your spouse, its just human nature in its most basic form.
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I agree with you on this one Sova. I have also had this theory for a long time. The only "unnatural" thing in this thread is commitment. We are animals, most animals (save morning doves and ducks and maybe a couple others) do not take a mate for life. Somehow our social network has established commitment as the norm. Mind you, I think this is good, children need 2 parents, people need love, etc - but it is not natural. What IS natural is looking back at the mall at that sweet pair of legs or some excellent childbearing hips. When my male buddies and I have talked about this, it appears to be an undeniable truth. Everyone looks, but it doesnt mean that you dont love and want to be with your spouse, its just human nature in its most basic form.
I think we all know that this is how it is, it's just hard for some people to admit it.
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